On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:03:08 -0400, Rob Scott wrote:

>We all know that the PHBs are telling everyone that TSO and ISPF are dead and 
>that we should all be using some sort of GUI interface - however what I have 
>found is that the people using the software that I write get WAY more excited 
>at the ISPF interface functions than the web/java stuff.
>
>Then again - maybe my customers have a higher beard+sandles+pipe co-efficient 
>than most...:-)
>
Sounds like the UNIX programmer in Dilbert.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
>Martin Packer
>Sent: 04 September 2008 16:55
>
>Personally I think we should have put a lot more effort into TSO and ISPF.
>That's just a gut feeling... I can't give specifics. It's just knowing how 
>good CMS is that makes me feel that way about TSO.  (And given that a lot of 
>my TSO usage is actually inside Batch I could see my Batch programming 
>benefiting also.)
>
Well, as unaccustomed to hearing me praise MVS as readers of
this list are, I have free choice between MVS and CMS.  I
rarely touch CMS:

o z/OS Unix System Services is relatively close to a real UNIX.
  Last I heard, CMS OpenEdition didn't even have fork().

o CMS multiprocessing capabilities are dismal.  It's even
  harder to do 2 or more things at once with CMS than with z/OS.

>Oh I CAN think of ONE specific: It would be very nice to see Object REXX run 
>under TSO.
>
Does Object Rexx run under CMS?  Must be a 3rd party product.

As for the garlic remarks about larger screens: Yah, but I
want 2 or more screens.  Or at least with one large split
screen to be able to start a Search-for in one split and
edit a source file in the other while it runs.  Or run OMVS
in one split while I do something else in another.  I suspect
that as soon as your initiates see that this can't be done,
they become less impressed.

-- gil

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