Excellent guys, it's like the old song , " different strokes for different folks". Everyone also has an option which your entitled to. We also have preferences also.
Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Sep 28, 2012, at 10:02 AM, "McKown, John" <[email protected]> wrote: > Since it's Friday and I am not doing much today, I'll jump in. When one buys > (actually licenses) a version of what is called "MS-Windows", they get a lot > of different programs all "bundled" together. The programs which make up the > .net run-time environment are a part of this bundle. Therefore, IMO, .net > run-time is an integral part of MS-Windows and so is not "free" per se. You > don't pay for it separately, like you do for MS-Office. But you can't get > .net run-time separate from MS-Windows (well, ignoring Mono at this point, > you can't run Mono on MS-Windows). Also, you cannot legally get and use the > bundle called MS-Windows without a license. That license may be paid for by > you; or by a friend; or hidden as the "Microsoft tax" when you purchase a PC > with MS-Windows pre-installed. .net run-time is like Internet Explorer. Both > are bundled and their use is allowed because you have a license for > MS-Windows. > > In opposition to this would be software such as Oracle's Java and > LibreOffice. Neither of these are distributed in the "MS-Windows bundle". > Both of these may be downloaded, installed, and used without paying money or > "other consideration". However, if you look closely at the sites, you will > see that there is a explicitly granted license to you to allow you download, > install, and use them. They are not "public domain". Java is gratis (no > cost). LibreOffice is both gratis (no cost) and libre (you can get; modify; > and redistribute). Technically, you are not supposed to download Java, then > give that downloaded copy to another. You are only granted the right to > download Java for yourself, for use on that specific PC. Again, unlike > LibreOffice whose license allows you to redistribute it. > > In the z/OS world, what exactly is z/OS? It definitely isn't free, so what is > being paid for? Is it the BCP which actually costs money; and the rest (like > TSO, LLA, VLF, DFSMSdfp, LE) are "free" just because bundled? LE might be > considered the ".net of z/OS". LE is not cost-free! You certainly can't order > z/OS without getting and using LE. If you don't like LE as an example, what > about DFSMSdfp? It is also bundled and not part of the BCP. There is other > software which runs on z/OS which some might consider as part of z/OS. One > example is "Communications Server", aka VTAM and TCPIP. Guess what? You can > order z/OS without ordering Communications Server. It is useful? Well, how > about a batch-only image which is connected to another system using a CTC as > an NJE channel. The second image could do JES2 NJE to the batch image without > the need for Communications Server. Sounds weird to me, but what do I know of > unusual requirements? There is other software which is obviously not part of > z/OS: the compilers for example. > > Anyway, the way that I think of it ".net" is not free because it's cost is > bundled into MS-Windows. Other may consider it to be "free" because it is not > separately priced. You pays your money, you takes your choice. Either way, > you pay money to MS. > > -- > John McKown > Systems Engineer IV > IT > > Administrative Services Group > > HealthMarkets(r) > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > (817) 255-3225 phone * > [email protected] * www.HealthMarkets.com > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or > proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. 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