All, The point is expensive, big companies with an IT staff, MVS or Z/OS unusually means big head count. Coming out of number 5 company who does tobacco, the head count and budget were seriously big and weren't even MVS, we were VM. Nowdays, I don't know what salaries are like.
Also you must live in the wrong part of the country I worked in NYC and NJ and managed to raise two kids who are now in college , and live without a wife working. Unfortunately, the last 8 because she passed in 2004. Btw , I am still working not as a Sysprog but a developer , but I also maintain the systems. I am very pro mainframe, the problem is if you need a mainframe system and your a small business and not a development house, what can you do ? PCs, Unix, been there too. There's no utopia , just what works best for the company and it finances. Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Jan 30, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ron Wells <[email protected]> wrote: > Big Iron...bad label... > > This is why Zseries...z/OS--z/VM--Linux...as for expensive? ...TCO...vs > many many many of other platform(s) Lic fees so on..maint. > as like anything else .. depending on your needs depends on the size of > the Hardware you may need...as for the size.. you can always grow when you > have to without reinstalling the world..including staffing.. > > as for M/Fers being well paid..sort of....but there are not as many of us > required at that site for support. > > other factors as well...security..DR.. > as for newer slicker apps >> again...this all can be performed on the M/F > as well.. > and customers are not over a barrel...the alternatives you lead to are > there on the Zseries..negative's mention for the mainframe?---Zseries? -- > sorry to say is bogus. Too many Companies today see the advantages and are > taking them. as for high price you mention..depending on the vendor > yes..but there are alternatives>> even IBM.. > Linux being the high points these days has made the Zseries even more of a > $$ savings opportunity . > > others can add to this list..done pitching... > > > > > > From: Don Williams <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: 01/30/2013 03:09 PM > Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> > > > > For now, IBM has legacy customers over a barrel and can demand a high > price > for the mainframe hardware and operating systems. But for developers of > new > apps, they can choose a different platform, esp. if they believe that > their > customers will purchase whatever platform it takes to run them. I think > eventually (i.e., over decades) legacy applications will be replaced with > newer slicker apps that don't require IBM's big iron. Hmm, in the decades > to come, will IBM be able to continue to command a high price for its big > iron? Will employees who work with big iron continue to be well paid? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Scott Ford >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:04 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points >> >> Tony, >> >> Whoever said IBM was price competitive, they are re only game in town , >> as far as big iron goes >> >> Scott ford >> www.identityforge.com >> >> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and >> I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Tony Harminc <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 30 January 2013 13:34, Edward Jaffe <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> On 1/30/2013 10:30 AM, John McKown wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From what I remember, zPDT can only be used for "software >> development" >>>>> activities. Yes, you can run CICS and DB2 on it. But not >> "production >>>>> work". I.e. you can't have your company's general end-users logging >>>>> onto CICS and doing production work which "runs the business". I >> guess >>>>> they could do QA testing. >>>> >>>> >>>> zPDT is for software developers only. RD&T (based on exactly the >> same >>>> technology) is for customers. >>>> >>>> http://www.ibm.com/software/rational/products/devtest/systemz/ >>> >>> Sure, but for customers to do development and testing only. >> Absolutely >>> no production, or even production-like builds. Still no low-end zArch >>> machines for a small company to run prod on. >>> >>> Tony H. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM- >> MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Email Disclaimer > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, > which may be legally privileged information. 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