Dana,

Thank you, my thoughts exactly. When I learned VM/SP and CMS had a manager make 
me learn the basic commands first then write Execs. 

Scott ford
www.identityforge.com

Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll 
understand. - Chinese Proverb


On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Dana Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:10:06 -0600, Ed Gould <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Dana:
>> 
>> About 15 years ago I was in a IBM class (all sysprogs). The  
>> instructor came out and said it is IBM's hope to get rid of system  
>> programmers. That tells you a lot from IBM's POV. I have distrusted  
>> IBM ever since.
>> 
>> Ed
> 
> IBM's plans as far as expensive sysprogs is concerned is very obvious.   Look 
> at the inordinate effort ($$)  they are putting into zOSMF in order to make 
> basic systems tasks more palletable to less experienced sysprogs.  I hope 
> they keep the gui facilities completely optional, and can be used if/when 
> needed, instead of falling into the trap they have created with managing IBM 
> i systems.  On an i system (don't get me started on that choice of a name for 
> an operating system....) there is available 5250 emulation (green screen)  
> and at least 2 flavors of gui's for performing management tasks.    The 
> trouble is that not *all* functions can be performed from a 5250 session.  
> Conversely not all functions can be executed from any one of the gui's 
> either.  This creates a dog's dinner of interfaces required to perform all 
> the duties needed to be an admin on an i system.
> 
> Dana
> 
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