> Why? Because "pure" ASCII is ordained somewhere? Stop with the straw dummies. Rebut arguments that somebody actually made and people will take you more seriously.
> Should they turn off their Hebrew or Chinese names too? Yes, for variables names in code samples where the language doesn't allow them. Consider these two lines in a PL/I program for a compiler that supports Unicode. The first is legitimate; the second is not. foo = bar /* פּלוני Good */; foo = פּלוני /* Bad! */; > Unicode rulz, dude! Even if that were true it wouldn't justify using the *WRONG* Unicode code point. > Readability rulz! No. Work with a tech writer who turns your broken English into polished prose that no longer matches the product and you'll understand why. > "Dumb" quotes are an artifact of typewriters and 6- or 7-bit character sets. There's nothing smart about using invalid syntax in code samples, and even where it's only a style issue there are millennials who don't agree with you. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 6:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community +1 on redundant replies. > wish is that the WWW interface supported composing in a > monospaced font What's the difference? It shows up for the recipient in whatever font they choose, typically monospaced. > that submitters turn off "smart" quotes Why? Because "pure" ASCII is ordained somewhere? Should they turn off their Hebrew or Chinese names too? Unicode rulz, dude! Readability rulz! I agree -- it looks better that way. "Dumb" quotes are an artifact of typewriters and 6- or 7-bit character sets. Real type has used "smart" quotes for centuries. Charles -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 2:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Mainframe Community On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:46:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >There *are* IMHO some problems with IBMMAIN but it is not clear to me that >they are significant enough to worry about nor that some new forum would >necessarily be better overall. > >- Searchability. The archives leave a lot to be desired in this regard IMHO. >- Topic drift. There is something of tendency for many threads here to drift >into hardware nostalgia, sometimes with the effect of obscuring the original >question. There are often answers here from people who did not read the >original question. > Conversely, redundant replies from people who read only the original question which has already been sufficiently answered. I can wish for the ancient USENET etiquette of replying directly to originator who is responsible for following up with a summary. >A better "threaded" interface would help prevent this. > Examples: http://secure-web.cisco.com/1DIq6_IG177X7FZE0F-KdEbgeUN8XBYWxs3iRKawJ2FuusQLNkPR94GxdABapLs8XC1pLpNw6ojRslZKiqgcyYDH3A-GzAtubq_wY0jgCs7AiN4k8ASYDYetTNXvkvsaKXri1ttfbwptiGu1sXNA7ksgxirXahW4Le2TL3f4OeXjQy9gHZHANGGjDd0CGI347uHexXOZVfEc4Tf6m9AR69KlAFg6HlFtQZ3u29Iy0TwcoQUMC2Axgt4O7GYqFD7RjPKK4bkwaVIj2yh8BOP_mudi6oV1xV_G1rfMP6O-lmHTL9cWZ8cls6QV6s5KcwdhAMcv0G1wJSZ4rS6d0z0Y71gbTihQibz2MhIBEMRoqzD_7NRrRBan5V3wJihzHG0QtQx9dRvYTbKivHSj4ImG9ofBkBvk1_rEl5OKrkmEVu_c8-3RLvIVVdEn8-zJKEm5-/http%3A%2F%2Fmm.icann.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftz%2F2020-January%2Fthread.html https://secure-web.cisco.com/1gU3Y9dWpjXR4lEJiZN6BwxLExLnFsMb3yMudDH8Ct1SM60Ug7HXC_a7RaWUY12rRs203KlvmXpRkKo6YRsMuMBsNzo5-BRbuAqtW3IAUZkcWYYg_Mz0KdhfIwsBvQ1c1ITtZQR11EnHnrecZdboOxyv7390IkAWhk7ir39rpxVrQFaN-Ae2cE1NTDPITJS-JRSQIsoHlQFMcrEr0XJHDPFAAGjbs-4LCFrMliq4aLlfKllTQWeD_Rgh5y_rVJVzC2E7iAHBrj8AXtyMIxERzz1mS8uxWyFItLJCQ7DFdryh1mkZGoU_dmMmbEaZoZXBbcwRVCSptKGw2_AKQrMzTcHHUl6QGtJdvm7zukxHATyBj2RVGDxhI3m5jHEqf9GajYIIZd58pfBsqz_bgCABSZG5X38QrPpF_P3HLRLyk1AYAMMQhT6EIpbvHe9mV1rYX-Bb2kQYTBN-AmEeVxty41A/https%3A%2F%2Fcurl.haxx.se%2Fmail%2Farchive-2020-01%2F C'mon, LISTSERV. >- Lack of formatting. Yeah, I know a lot of old-timers love plain text (let >the flames begin!) but most modern fora have the ability to set off code >examples at the very least. I think that would be useful here. > To that end, my simplest wish is that the WWW interface supported composing in a monospaced font. C'mon, LISTSERV. And, of course, that submitters turn off "smart" quotes. Such problems exist even in IBM Reference Manuals. I went to RCF on one such and got the reply that it looks better that way. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
