Thanks KB... I think I got my basic question answered, which is that one thing AT-TLS was designed for is to encrypt data for TCP/IP programs that weren't originally written with encryption. In addition, it sounds like even programs that can do their own encryption (i.e. TN3270) can also use AT-TLS. If so, that's a smart plan - putting encryption processing in one bucket with one set of controls, and one spot to update when TLS1.x comes along.

But if I'm wrong with any of the general notes above, please correct me.

On 6/30/2020 9:16 PM, kekronbekron wrote:
Tom, check this out - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEzX70moOQ

I also got 200 hits for 'AT-TLS' after logging in to share.org; you might want 
to do the same to see which of those are the most useful to you.

- KB

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On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 10:27 PM, Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> 
wrote:

I've tried to skim some of the AT-TLS doc, and even attended an IBM
webinar last week, but I'm still missing what I imagine are important
background points. Maybe someone here can explain things, but don't
worry too much about it.

Client and server programs like SSH/SSHD call programs such as OpenSSL
to handle the encryption handshake and processing. So when you set
those up, there is no AT-TLS needed for encryption. Same with the
TN3270 server and client, as long as you set that up with keys and
parameters on the host side, and settings on the client side.

I'm thinking because of the name "Application Transparent" that AT-TLS
was made for programs that DON'T have their own logic to call OpenSSL
(or whatever) to do their own encryption. Let's use clear-text FTP as
an example. So somehow, AT-TLS hooks into the processing and provides
an encrypted "tunnel", kind of like VPN does, but only for that one
application. Does that sound correct?

If so, then the encryption is "transparent" to the FTP server code and
FTP does not need to be changed, which I think is the whole idea here.
Yet we now have an encrypted session. Does that sound correct?

Then if so, what happens on the FTP client side? I certainly can't use
the Windows FTP command, for example, because it's not setup for any
kind of encryption. That's kind of my big question here.

On 6/30/2020 1:44 AM, Lionel B Dyck wrote:

Sweet - thank you
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Hi LBD!,
Check these out-
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5416
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5415
http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/WebIndex/PRS5414

-   KB

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On Monday, June 29, 2020 3:56 AM, Lionel B Dyck lbd...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyone have any pointers for configuring AT-TLS on z/OS?
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