Count me in ditto. I have a P/390 running OS/390 V2R10 (bought on ebay) - but no ADCD's for it or even SMP/E installed either. If I can get its CD's at a one-off cost, that'd make my day. It's not to develop commercial software, but just as a 'hobby' to get back to mainframe programming and away from Windoze. So yes, I'll chip in if it helps me get its ADCD's. Cheers, Chris Poncelet (retired sysprog)
On 05/07/2020 18:31, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: > Count me in for a more serious discussion. Note that some (perhaps large) > proportion of potential users of such a co-op may be of the kind that need > infrequent access to system programmer functionalities, only the widest > possible range of compilers and subsystems for application-level explorations. > > Of course there would also be those who would need / want the ability to > explore authorized-program construction and use (how to set up and use PC-SS > clients and servers, for example), and such exploration always has the > possibility to blow up or cripple a system while learning the Right Way to do > such things. > > Easy recovery of a "virgin" working system-level environment with your source > / data disks left intact will be important for such explorations. > > Another "setup" issue may be what third-party tools can / should be included. > E.G., Rocket ports and jzos are free to install, but to be done properly and > considering the total space occupied should be installed at the system level, > not in individual user file systems. > > Certainly some discussion is needed around the availability / use of such > features. Ditto for such features as the emerging Zowe environment and RD/z > or whatever that is named these days and zOSMF, etc., etc. Can / should a > user be permitted to set up some reasonable number of large EAV volumes for > big-data functionality exploration? Ditto for large unix file systems or > z/OS based git server hubs. > > Peter > > P.S. - At least in my mail client, your email address in the message headers > is the listserv web interface, AFAIK it is not possible to email you > privately at that address. > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > Grant Taylor > Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 2:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment > > On 7/4/20 6:27 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> If anybody gets upset it will be because of "just because you feel >> z/OS ought to be free (as in beer"; few if any posters here have >> suggested such a belief. What I have seen is posters asking for >> affordable hobbyist license fees. > Agreed. > >> I'm not the one suggesting the co-op, but at first glance the idea is >> intriguing. > I lobbed the idea of a co-op out there the same way that people throw things > at the wall to see how things stick and what the reaction is. > But it does seem like there is some interest, some of it more than casual. > I'm now thinking that a poll might be in order. > > Please reply to this message, either publicly or privately, if you are > interested in having a more serious discussion about a mainframe co-op. > >> I'm already paying an annuual support fee for ArcaOS, a rebranded >> OS/2; if I could get z/OS and z/VM on Hercules at comparable cost then >> it wouldn't break my budget. > I seriously doubt that we will ever be able to legally run z/OS on Hercules. > I suspect that it would have to be on an older / smaller system or z/PDT or > guest VMs on someone's larger system. > >> The deciding factor would be the license terms; it would have to be >> legal to use the platform to develop commercial software. > I don't object to the idea. But my limited understanding is that such > probably raises the bar more than little bit. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
