I buy stuff on Amazon, use Apple wallet and Paypal so I guess my
personal financial data is already on the cloud. I won't be losing any
sleep about that and have no plans to go back to using cash or shopping
exclusively in stores.
On 2020-10-11 1:10 PM, Mike Hochee wrote:
Over the last few years I have hoped IBM would become more of a cloud player
and attempt to marry some of the long-standing and well established zEnterprise
strengths; security, reliability, extensibility, performance, etc., with what
I always perceived to be an inherently less secure cloud and web services
environment. I thought there was significant opportunity for a complement,
where zEnterprise strengths could be leveraged by the needs of cloud and web
service processing, and this would likely be workload dependent.
To be sure, there are undoubtedly many cloud based apps that have no need of,
nor business requirements for, zEnterprise integrity attributes, and a census
might well be one of them. Cloud computing has come a long way over the past
10+ years, but I still don't want my personal financial data and current card
transactions residing on a public cloud (encrypted or not). I have read too
many articles which in general testify to the insecurity of data in the cloud.
Hybrid and private clouds might be another matter, and this is where I thought
the advantages of zEnterprise could potentially be a value add to cloud service
providers with customers that expect (demand) a higher level of security and
processing integrity.
I suspect the splitting of IBM will only make the communication needed for any
synergy between the hallmarks of traditional mainframe computing and cloud
computing more difficult. In the meantime profit motive will continue to
compromise the decisions of executives the world over and result in more and
more insecure hosting of their customer's personal and financial data.
I wonder what if anything Arvind Krishna thinks about z/OS? A very bold move
by someone only six months on the job.
My nickel's worth.
Mike
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You're conflating enterprise with traditional mainframe customers such as the
finance industry. Apple, BP, Shell, Coca-Cola etc all use AWS, are they not
enterprise customers? As for health care, the UK NHS is a huge AWS customer.
The reputation of IBM's cloud (or maybe just IBM) in Australia hasn't recovered
from the 2016 census fiasco [1]. The Australian government no longer trusts IBM
and has moved to AWS [2].
You're obviously an IBM fanboy. A lot of what you say is absolute nonsense.
[1]
https://www.zdnet.com/article/censusfail-an-omnishambles-of-fabulous-proportions/
[2]
https://www.zdnet.com/article/australian-2021-digital-census-to-be-built-on-aws/
On 2020-10-11 1:39 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
You’re comparing 2 entirely different clouds. IBM isn’t in the consumer cloud
market. There is more money in PC’s than there is in mainframes too! And IBM
processes 90% of credit card transactions. You were wrong. No fortune 100
companies are going to use AZURE or AWS for highly critical, highly sensitive
information. Consumer clouds are everywhere. It’s becoming commoditized.
Enterprise cloud will never be commoditized and will remain highly profitable.
Banks, big retailers, and health care can’t afford the hacks and crashes of
consumer cloud services.
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On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the
fact
remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't
become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE
transaction quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000
per day. 112 BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the
planet. Be serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by
taking their largest five customers and multiplying by the number of
z/OS systems out there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh?
And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS,
Azure, and even GCP.
You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge
from the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers.
Learn. The truth is out there.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson <
00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t
need the lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need to
do.
Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller
companies are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to
commoditization.
Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to slow.
Even with the government contract.
https://venturebeat.com/2020/07/31/probeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azur
e-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing/amp/
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On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <
0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real
companies building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today.
Peter
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2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market clouds.
IBM is enterprise.
On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report.
It's at
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://kinsta.com/blog/cloud-market-shar
e/__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD63
2lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA$
and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market,
and then notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is
one--"account for another 26% of the SaaS market".
So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major
player.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson <
00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed.
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On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
"IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS,
Azure, maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM.
On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller
<allan.stal...@hcl.com>
wrote:
Classification: HCL Internal
Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help
the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus.
The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the
surface,
this is a win-win.
OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall
APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more.
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