That's one scenario, but the broken system also provides a perverse incentive to file defensive patents, where the goal is not to collect license fees but simply to prevent others from obtaining a patent on the same idea.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 7:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies Unfortunately, the U.S. patent system creates warped incentives for emerging software fields like road-safety features. Rather than competing in a challenging space, some players are seeking broadly-worded patents, then hope to sit back and extract profits later. That may be the strategy of the International Business Machine Corp., which has acquired more U.S. patents than any other company for decades now. This week, IBM was awarded U.S. Patent No. 10,191,462 <http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=10191462&OS=10191462&RS=10191462>, describing a “Vehicle electronic receptionist.” IBM likely has the resources to make technology to manage communications while driving. But the ’462 patent describes nothing of the sort. Instead, IBM’s patent simply describes a computerized decision-making process. https://secure-web.cisco.com/1RWrGtPeaMJvxnTXIEYDJaw8qVOQJsc5rieqkupz4T4nqLgMRiJ4eJJo05REfbsdw4uBFU1Ltu59LIUbe29C14saoCDQ8YxZ6vBQBBz5Y0uvztrfVzV1iUaTOypbJmqB0BjQvA9aPk6tZPPRCqeQom2u4DkJP7fYlHBbRVJshGvUgT6oliJR6ncgrj1xZ_SKSJ2Tg7ImfJFkudvZMRy6ouLx3fkDLNWKwFh0uIIROPIjU_o-lOKwqsHPG-VRuPEvsjupUiP0ZEm9TlMq9qSYliztatJ2rDxjfd6LETp_EWBMBlCDt9tKKjRFZqfZbkES-0yyJKiUH6NVWcfn0cLNJd8iX2Ro9RK2xNYHWZXGw15Ct02cEntu-ffq9-kUY-flAjYY6UturDD0TIiYfASpcdgAzaUo1h0XcX1TTPAWgJNYx1xULhzqhfULNzzrTXtr0k5Le2sYu3SUwLHqLLocti2uKSI9TiVK1RQhMKSJZHZk/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2019%2F01%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibms-software-patent-texting-and-driving On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:18 AM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > Did you want them to wait for someone else to patent it and have an > expensive court battle to invalidate it? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:14 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > IBM have a patent on the SORTL instruction. I guess they are entitled to do > that but IMHO what it does is hardly new. How it does it, perhaps. > > I wish I had patented run flat tires. It was my idea many years ago. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:14 AM Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: > > > The broken US patent system forces IBM to take out defensive patents, and > > they're far from the only ones to do so. Note that if USPTO denies the > > paten as prior art or as obvious to a practitioner, that blocks anybody > > else from patenting it, which achieves IBM's objective. > > > > IBM is far from the only company with a portfolio of defensive patents. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > > of David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:40 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > > > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a > > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google, > > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so > > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then > > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their > > code. They give it away for free. > > > > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no > > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid > > the groundwork for much of today’s IT. > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical > > information. > > > We deal with them every day. > > > > > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call > > out > > > BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded > to. > > > It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest > > > customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good > > for > > > 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad > that > > > approach is? > > > > > > Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain > why > > > the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when > > > they talk cloud. Maybe IBM has a few really big clients (.gov)? I don't > > > know. > > > > > > Back to processing credit card transactions--again, processors don't > use > > z. > > > (Well, I can think of a couple that do, but by and large, they don't.) > > > You're confusing processors, acquirers, issuers, and brands. Those are > > > different. > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:27 PM Bill Johnson < > > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > >> 6 billion in cloud revenue latest quarter. About half of AZURE. Looks > > >> bigger than 2% to me. > > >> > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Cp3i2g4xxv5xAiOhNSH9asQgAtxabZeedP72s34Yoy97MA2TNpgZziu32XKk2j51vj3MjoslYkPKOMVBdfmKAcrRkVKxyzoNx1chEh1FhL8AWcQRTCiE42bfCYv1oSv6x33vpt3EI6LMjmirQKq9HB5ds4CfTz-I-Br9WAJkn0N_8ol-EGR8zbkpGlT7uQ_on1wTZQz1cvYQ35YWKGGX5qoNYz2VHWbBkuv4cxcyVaFWBrmdYVSDRswyIQybcXkjo3AXzCLg1n-3V84PWF0PgohuVLen_PPSYLGpU0W3-FNPcMwDexPYlKIQ-VMdqJ_WWgZoAr2qOPJ4GXnj0PadbBKgZnNQIiVF-Nh1AkV8iRsRQ-lxzuneKseiVgBSMLEmd-PxYqzfYps5E4CWuaCK8NvZ5vckiQt2FluZBDc3Bg8s9yrv3CXGmkxn1P9NlJzvvAqUvdiD6xXivnfWi7aHSQ/https%3A%2F%2Fcloudwars.co%2Fcloud-wars-top-10-vendors-world%2F > > >> Read up. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >> > > >> > > >> On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 1:28 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> Bill, you can quote self-serving SHARE fodder all you like, but the > fact > > >> remains: IBM cloud is a joke in the industry. Doesn't mean it couldn't > > >> become a player, but that's aspirational at best. That SHARE > transaction > > >> quote is nonsense--do the math: 1.3M/sec=112,320,000,000 per day. 112 > > >> BILLION. That's 16 transactions per day per person on the planet. Be > > >> serious. That number comes from IBM, was extrapolated by taking their > > >> largest five customers and multiplying by the number of z/OS systems > out > > >> there. Lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that, eh? > > >> > > >> And plenty of real, serious, multi-billion-dollar companies use AWS, > > Azure, > > >> and even GCP. > > >> > > >> You work for a vendor; you have access to lots of industry knowledge > > from > > >> the real world, not SHARE or IBM marketing. Talk to your peers. Learn. > > The > > >> truth is out there. > > >> > > >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:57 PM Bill Johnson < > > >> 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I’ve studied them extensively. I’m an investor. So I really don’t > need > > >> the > > >>> lecture but I understand that’s what the frequent posters here need > to > > >> do. > > >>> Large enterprises aren’t building on AZURE & AWS. Lots of smaller > > >> companies > > >>> are. Because of the costs. AZURE & AWS are on the way to > > commoditization. > > >>> Because it’s easy to replicate. In fact, AZURE growth is beginning to > > >> slow. > > >>> Even with the government contract. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1glB2SmzemhcwK69MfAyoUKDhG1ntl9CtY11twTQichU0sTA3Q0es33FTYpO6k47SnyNbsKK7FSV1U0VfeE_EpNMoFUIeUhqHHOz2OYgKmzLkAdL1ngQS3ca5S9CLT1tGINOF-fLYT0d2c_VbDlU_HZSoX2zNIw8pY_5XS_VHySeDQ42WJEnoHJ8vfsNYYXnfUm8lrRBcV1o0pv74HCfSImxFxMjcH-3LppRgKzm5ORaSIUtSK-dPJaLL5e7y_fhYqbaqzwEAv0KM7PmYNVm3gwCR4JalSJoc7NXgCZoiabkwV7NZK0dRwkQZzNNDHcV6T4BoWpAI7_y57sxdMaULrz4od9Am8Ku7hMndaXSixwTAUA0itEIpJGAX5WYsIRq8sKTtcTu1j6b2O60Lg0a6PlCrkqGyr5WvMRNp5ENVlCpuQm3LdX5vI7_DSXZDoybB/https%3A%2F%2Fventurebeat.com%2F2020%2F07%2F31%2Fprobeat-slowing-aws-microsoft-azure-and-google-cloud-revenue-growth-is-a-good-thing%2Famp%2F > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 6:38 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 < > > >>> 0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Don't believe whoever told you that about AWS. There are real > > companies > > >>> building real enterprise-level applications on AWS today. > > >>> > > >>> Peter > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > > Behalf > > >>> Of Bill Johnson > > >>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:53 AM > > >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > >>> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies > > >>> > > >>> 2 completely different markets. AZURE & AWS are consumer market > clouds. > > >>> IBM is enterprise. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Friday, October 9, 2020, 5:28 AM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>> Actually, Bill, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the report. > It's > > >> at > > >> > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1IwdBNJrdzNv1e7wSgAN2uOHLs7xgnySc2nEQbL3szEfADHpALFuRpAYZmz5bRjBe7ojh6udKuMkjEBpBJrHI2HRGMA6TqigjLxHN-3eSt4xiIaR9BuOh18iAal_RvBEA5zrqwPqHdZYMGVahz9mJ53Cp8Uc6O2Dul4yMsX-41oTBTSPYXrM0m9oDzopp6zb6GimpnH8_XBzYn21TIk2TR9zmYgbu5NUsFziW9IF_wQ_CbpTAaOM1U_VYMG6QGjtlkUn06BtYuKrF0aff4zY5FwtGdTrmEEgxBXcNI1wUmCHdPoKE82Y1YHWVKZqkJ1KNR9qpSogy85j5yDYUv3LV--OB6Cn6zJvNZd_2POD_YiXXaPHyU6iyYOrxSCL_Dsok5tIAY83gZBj9GyuT5FUCIOK5mFhW67DFunqgd46b2YuINdSGT0i1t6yJS8XDMYh7/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fkinsta.com%2Fblog%2Fcloud-market-share%2F__%3B%21%21Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg%21bkn5Ica_-GSgVSVMQhoO-ZwjnqBMD632lXyTKAVvTtc_OWH8fyBG3CcIrbtSWqbpWZCJsA%24 > > >>> and lists the top 5 vendors, comprising more than half the market, > and > > >> then > > >>> notes that the next ten players--of whom IBM is one--"account for > > another > > >>> 26% of the SaaS market". > > >>> So IBM has a couple of percent; as I said, that's a joke. Not a major > > >>> player. > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 10:04 PM Bill Johnson < > > >>> 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Anyone who says IBM cloud is a joke isn’t well informed. > > >>>> Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > >>>> > > >>>> | > > >>>> | > > >>>> | > > >>>> | | | > > >>>> > > >>>> | > > >>>> > > >>>> | > > >>>> | > > >>>> | | > > >>>> Cloud Market Share – a Look at the Cloud Ecosystem in 2020 > > >>>> > > >>>> Deep dive into the Cloud Market Share with tons of data and stats > > >>>> compared to explain the different cloud services and identify the > > >>>> leading cloud providers. > > >>>> | | > > >>>> > > >>>> | > > >>>> > > >>>> | > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thursday, October 8, 2020, 3:41 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com > > > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> "IBM cloud" is a joke. When anyone talks about cloud, it's AWS, > Azure, > > >>>> maybe GCP. NEVER EVER ONCE IBM. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 12:24 PM Allan Staller < > allan.stal...@hcl.com> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Classification: HCL Internal > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Don't know anything about this directly, but It actually might help > > >>>>> the "traditional" portfolio by allowing more focus. > > >>>>> The cloud portion can benefit from reduced bureaucracy, so on the > > >>>> surface, > > >>>>> this is a win-win. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> OTOH, how many cloud providers have been hacked to date. I recall > > >>>>> APPLE, AMAZON and I think one more. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > > >>>>> Behalf Of Dave Jousma > > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 10:44 AM > > >>>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > >>>>> Subject: IBM splitting into two companies > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. 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