The LPAR has 14GB of memory and the six page data sets have (yikes!) five 
different sizes (1000, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500, and 3000 cylinders). Apparently 
the statement, we didn't change anything, really meant, we didn't change 
anything that should affect you. 

Anne R. Adams
DTI, Systems Engineering
State of Delaware


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Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 2:17 AM
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Anne,

Just for the picture: how much memory do you have in your LPAR and what is the 
total size of the page datasets.?

Kees.

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Of Adams, Anne (DTI)
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 18:29
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Subject: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

Ok - this is EXACTLY what we're seeing now. The one issue is that when the page 
data sets fill up, they never get emptied and we end up having to add new ones. 
What do people do? We can't IPL every week or go on adding page datasets 
indefinitely. 

Anne R. Adams
DTI, Systems Engineering
(302) 298 - 3196


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Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:59 AM
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Subject: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

I have seen DB2 utilities with large sorts (reorgs of partitioned table spaces, 
which does a lot in parallel), that consumed 6 - 8 GB memory of the 16GB in the 
LPAR. Nobody was really harmed by it, only you could see RMS paging out heavily 
old stuff to make room for the utilty. On these moments, you should have a page 
configuration ready for these page outs. There was no heavy page ins, so 
performance was not harmed. This is real memory management of modern, large 
machines, which should not be undervalued (correct English?)

Kees.


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Of Elardus Engelbrecht
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 16:51
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Subject: Re: DFSORT Weirdness

Kees Vernooij wrote:

>Again: the fact that DFsort acts differently on the new device could be caused 
>by CFW. With CFW dfsort could decide to use SORTWKs, without CFW DFSORT could 
>decide that this is too slow and use memory. 

Very true! Will the DFSORT gurus answer on your statement this or next month? 
;-D

I'm watching this thread, because my own DFSORT + ICETOOL jobs are grabbing and 
eating everything - CPU, Inits, Memory and DASD space, name it, like there is 
no tomorrow... ;-D

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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