Let's say the started task is setup as SURROGAT for multiple userids. As one of those id's, if I am given access to the JCL I could submit a job as if I was another one of those id's. No?

On 11/19/2020 4:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Sure, but why do you think that specifying the userid will do them any good?


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I just thought of one more problem with my scenario.  If the JCL can be
updated by the user, then they could set USER= to whatever they want,
spoiling the idea of using a single STC for multiple users.

On 11/19/2020 11:13 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
So if the JCL dataset can be updated by the user and they decide to
remove the USER= parm, then the STC userid would get control.  And in
that case the unique userid set up for that STC would have little access
and would likely fail on the first dataset.

Do I have that about right?

On 11/19/2020 11:04 AM, David Spiegel wrote:
Hi Skip,
"... the default SAF userid for STCs will be propagated to the
submitted job ..."
If the submitted job has a USER= on the Job Card and the RDR STC's
Userid has SURROGAT to all owner of SUBMIT'd Jobs, this is not a problem.
(I also would not give RDR the default STCID.)

Regards,
David

On 2020-11-19 13:45, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
We use a similar process. The supplied RDR proc is a bit clumsy with
stuff coded that would work as is for pretty much no one. So like
many other shops, ages ago we wrote our own version with customized
data set and unit parameters.

The big problem with an RDR-like solution is that the default SAF
userid for STCs will be propagated to the submitted job. That might
be wildly inappropriate for the average user.

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We have a rather simple solution we use.

We have this command in the JES commands member:

$TA,T=23.00,''$VS,''''S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''''''

That starts a started task called JOB. It is in a library that is in
the JES PROCLIB concatenation.

It looks like this:

//JOB    PROC J=XXX,                   /* MEMBER NAME TO SUBMIT    */
//       L='SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ'     /* LIBRARY TO SUBMIT FROM   */
//*----------------------------------------------------------------*/
//*@ STARTED TASK TO SUBMIT JOBS                                   */
//*----------------------------------------------------------------*/
//STEP1  EXEC PGM=IEBGENER
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUT2   DD SYSOUT=(A,INTRDR)
//SYSUT1   DD DISP=SHR,DSN=&L.(&J.)
//SYSIN    DD DUMMY

The JES command formats out like this:

S JOB,J=CLEANJES

Which starts JOB and it submits CLEANJES from the
SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ library to the queue.

The commands member gets submitted each day at midnight to refresh
the commands.

//CMDSTXFZ  JOB (HSKP),'CMDSTXFZ',CLASS=K,MSGCLASS=9,
//     MSGLEVEL=(1,1),REGION=0M
//*
//*   LIB: SYS1.TXFZ.OPERJOBS.TZ(CMDSTXFZ)
//*@       COMMANDS TO ISSUE AT IPL TIME AND EVERY 24 HOURS
//*
// COMMAND '$CA,ALL'
// COMMAND '$TA,T=05.00,''$VS,''''S JOB,J=CLEANJES'''''''
// COMMAND '$TA,T=24.00,''$VS,''''S JOB,J=CMDSTXFZ'''''''
// COMMAND '$SA,ALL'
//STEP1    EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
/*

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I was and am under control on the $TA part and fully intend to use that.
It's not the whole solution, though. My question was "what can the
$TA schedule that will run a job" and these replies have provided the
answer.
The answer is something like

$T A,xxxx,86400,'$VS ''S RDR,DSN=MY.PDS(MYJOB)'' '

I may not have the syntax and all the quotes perfect, but that's the
idea.

Charles


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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020, at 00:19, Charles Mills wrote:
Right! I remember that. I remember that was how you ran anything. You
started a real reader: it fired up the 2540 and read in the job. And
then you did a S WTR (?) to print the output. OS/360 on a 360/40.
But the S RDR... command doesn't start a real reader.  It's just
starting a
started task.   The previous reply talking about $TA etc was for
faking a

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