It's not just IBM that has never heard of orthogonality.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Paul Gilmartin [0000000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Extraneous blanks in SDSF issued command On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 08:14:06 +1100, Attila Fogarasi wrote: >SKIP(ON) is the ISPF panel field attribute that causes automatic skip to >next field when the cursor reaches the end of a field (SKIP(OFF) is the >default). I'm not 100% sure about your second question (insert spanning > Not needed. >fields) but AFAIK insert is limited to a single field (it certainly was in >the original hardware). Normally a scrollable area would be used instead >of 2 fields when they are actually 1 field logically. Not sure that all >3270 emulators work correctly with the fancier data streams (or rather, >I've run into lots of problems doing this). > IBM seems determined to inconvenience users of wide screens. The "ISPF Command Shell panel (ISRTSO)" (see illustration): https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.f54u200/chap9.htm ... provides a single field covering 3 lines on an 80-column screen so insertion simply works up to the size of the field. This answers Rob's concern; Yes, it's possible. On a wider screen, the panel is formatted in a "pillarbox" (GIYF) and insertion works only within a single line. When I ranted about this (on ISPF-L?) experts advised me, "Oh you need ISRTSOA": https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.f54pc00/isppc115.htm ... Hmmm. Configuration option; not available to mere mortal users. But I copied ISRTSOA into my private ISPPLIB and renamed it. All better. ISPF 3.17 suffers a similar misdesign in its entry panel with wide screens for a poor reason. >On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 7:29 AM Rob Scott wrote: > >> In your example, assuming that the input field spans two lines : >> >> (1) When the user starts to type on the first line and gets to the end of >> the input field in the line, is the input skipped to the next line? >> >> (2) If there is existing data on the second line and the user attempts to >> insert data on the first line, does the data on the second line shift to >> accommodate the inserted bytes. >> >> If both the above are satisfied, then I would doff my cap to you and >> implement a solution based on that in the next release. -- gil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
