There are also different zCloud offerings. IBM Hyper Protect Virtual Servers is much different than the traditional "your mess for less" hosting of your environment (whether it's on your own or a shared box).
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 8:17 AM Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, like any other outsourcing and time-sharing contract, you need to > define your requirements before committing to it, and that includes license > issues. It's your responsibility to include what you need in the contract, > but I would be very surprised if IBM was unable to deal with 3rd party > software. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf > of Keith Gooding [[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 6:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: IBM Zcloud - is it just outsourcing ? > > One of my reasons for asking about zCloud here was that I have been asked > (at second- or third-hand) whether an ISV product is “supported” on zCloud, > so there is clearly a case to answer. At first sight, if zCloud just means > transferring LPARs to an IBM-owned machine, the answer would be ‘yes’. But > there may be reasons why it would not be ‘supported’ - e.g. for licensing > reasons, because IBM do not have the expertise to manage it, because IBM > prefer to replace it with one of their owns products, etc. > > Another reason is that I found a reference to “zcloud environments” in IMS > v13 documentation in regards to what is now called “cloud provisioning” ie > using z/OSMF and possibly Z Cloud Broker) to create and manage middleware > environments “on demand” using templates etc provided by the middleware > developers. I now think that this use of the term “zcloud” here (or terms > such as “Z cloud”, Z/cloud” etc rather than “zCloud” ) may refer > generically to cloud services on Z rather than the “Managed Extended Cloud > Infrastructure as a Service(IaaS) for IBM Z (zCloud)” offering. > > There is still a nagging doubt that some ISV products may be required to > “play nicely” on zCloud, especially in environments where instead of > transferring an LPAR to zCloud a new z/OS system is created just for > development purposes so that modern development tools can be used. In that > case there could be a requirement for middleware to co-operate in the > automatic provisioning of test environments. > > At the risk of being contacted by an IBM salesperson I have attempted to > get in touch with a “zCloud” person for information. > > Keith Gooding > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 29 May 2021, at 15:13, Colin Paice <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I remember about 20+ years ago there was "dial a vm" from IBM for > > customers. By the time you had phoned up, given your credit card details > > it had created a second level system for you to play with. > > > > "We did it first on z" > > > > Colin > > > >> On Sat, 29 May 2021 at 12:45, Scott Chapman < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I think one important distinction of cloud vs. outsourcing is the > >> ephemeral nature of the resources in cloud computing. I.E. the ability > to > >> start from zero, provision compute and storage resources of some type > >> (either manually or automatically in response to changing conditions) > and > >> then deprovision them similarly after using the resources for perhaps > mere > >> minutes or hours. The cost is determined by what you used for the > duration > >> you used it, typically billed to an interval of minutes or sometimes > even > >> seconds. And since it has on-ramp starting at zero infrastructure and > zero > >> cost, you can easily try out ideas at a cost of something you can put > on a > >> credit card. Infrastructure is charged in increments of pennies. And if > it > >> doesn't work out, you turn it off and your charges stop.* > >> > >> Last I knew, and I would like to be proven wrong, zCloud didn't embody > the > >> idea of "I want to play with z/OS for a few hours, stand up a z/OS image > >> with x CPU and y GB of disk and put it on my credit card". > >> > >> *-Remember: in the cloud, you pay for what you forgot to turn off. And > >> those pennies can add up shockingly fast in some cases! > >> > >> Scott Chapman > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ><((((º>`·.¸¸´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸>(((º> .·´¯`·.><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> <>< Go fishing ><> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
