Don't remember proposing Python in batch... ?
I understand that a unix-y way opens the doors to scripting.
Just disappointed with the clunky way in which it's tacked on top of things.

And yeah, JetBrains' tools are excellent.
It's again said that both IBM & Broadcom are doing things only around VS Code 
and Eclipse (ugh.. still?).
Recently, IBA Group released a plugin for JetBrains, to work with datasets via 
zOSMF APIs.
https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/16353-for-mainframe

- KB

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐

On Thursday, August 19th, 2021 at 10:15 AM, David Crayford 
<dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You're missing the point. Those utilities are designed to be run in z/OS
>
> UNIX processes not as batch jobs. There are some benefits to that such
>
> as being able to programmatically recovery from errors such as x37
>
> abends.  I don't particularly like those utilities. At Rocket we have
>
> much better Python tooling
>
> to dynamically allocate data sets and invoke programs. But IBM has
>
> ported Python now so that's strategic.
>
> On 18/08/2021 11:59 am, kekronbekron wrote:
>
> > Objectively, this has got to be madness.
> >
> > Just look at the JCL that's being shoved into a horrid, horrid Python 
> > program.
> >
> > ~200 lines to replace 18 lines of JCL.
> >
> > Oh.. and that's leaving aside the condescending tone about 'the old 
> > mainframer'.
> >
> > Whether a person wants to learn something or not (therefore choosing their 
> > path) is up to them.
> >
> > They don't need to be harassed/shamed about it.
> >
> > Just because there were some people on mainframe forums consistently 
> > harassing everyone with "check with your site's system programmer / RTFM / 
> > etc.", it doesn't mean the woke folk need to return the favour by being 
> > passive aggressive or insulting senior sysprogs for not wearing neon shorts 
> > or whatever.
> >
> > If this is being paraded as simplification, now the mainframe is truly 
> > doomed.
> >
> > https://medium.com/theropod/the-journey-from-jcl-to-python-so-easy-even-an-old-mainframer-can-do-it-f088cc49366a
> >
> > -   KB
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