I'm wondering if the title change has to do with the idea that we're not "programming" so much anymore as we are installing and maintaining software, doing storage management and other tasks instead. Back when I got my first sysprogs job almost 4 decades ago, here was a lot more coding involved than there is now.
My $.02. Rex -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 4:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades. Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a 'Systems Programmer'. I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a 'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference. What can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot? On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge < [email protected]> wrote: > I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as > my job title > > Jerry Whitteridge > [email protected] > Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop Albertsons Companies > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Skip Robinson > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 2:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles > > I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one > elegant and imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm > a Sanitation Engineer. > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Large Systems Infrastructure Support Another one: Mainframe > > Administrator (I really dislike this one in > > particular.) > > > > On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote: > > > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there > > > are > > any new titles to add to the list below. > > > > > > Mainframe Engineer > > > Operating Systems Architect > > > Software Engineer > > > Software Project Specialist > > > Software Specialist > > > System Analyst > > > System Architect > > > System Engineer > > > System Programmer > > > Systems Programming Specialist > > > Systems Specialist > > > Technical Advisor > > > Technical Analyst > > > Technical Services Professional > > > Technical Specialist > > > > > > What title do you have as a system programmer? > > > > > > Bobby Herring > > > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > > Behalf Of Kirk Wolf > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration > > > > > > > > > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2. > > > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version. > > > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with > > > /etc/ssh configuration settings. 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