A Systems Engineer does hardware work. They swap in/out memory. The put
in and take out specialty engines (which are on cards these days), and
the like.
The problem we have today is, COBOL programmers are being called
Developers. Far cry from those of us that have been involved in product
development where we had specific input into the manuals, built the
install process (where possible, the customer could do an SMP/E install
and then run a customization tool, etc.).
Oh, and we were expected to have system manuals so we could read how
things worked and implement accordingly, as opposed to those who only
want to be comfortable with COBOL and REXX, or just to refuse to read
the mighty fine manuals.
So, in a few years with even more title inflation, we will be called
Chief Programming Officers or some such silliness.
Just my $5 (hey, 40 years of inflation),
Steve Thompson
On 2021-10-11 21:56, Skip Robinson wrote:
OK, getting serious. I've been in this business for four decades.
Performing essentially the same kinds of tasks for various employers at
various levels of seniority. I have always represented myself as a
'Systems
Programmer'.
I'm currently in a 'discussion' with a manager type who wants to hire a
'Systems Engineer'. I have not been able to discern the difference.
What
can a Systems Engineer do that a Systems Programmer cannot?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:23 PM Jerry Whitteridge <
[email protected]> wrote:
I keep working to have my Business Cards use "Speaker to Machines" as
my
job title
Jerry Whitteridge
[email protected]
Manager Mainframe Systems & HP Non-Stop
Albertsons Companies
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Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: System Programmer Titles
I toyed with a number of different titles but couldn't find one
elegant and
imperial enough. So I borrowed from my trash man. Now I'm a Sanitation
Engineer.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 1:47 PM David Spiegel
<[email protected]>
wrote:
> Large Systems Infrastructure Support
> Another one: Mainframe Administrator (I really dislike this one in
> particular.)
>
> On 2021-10-11 16:28, Herring, Bobby wrote:
> > I asked this question back in 2004. My boss wants to know if there are
> any new titles to add to the list below.
> >
> > Mainframe Engineer
> > Operating Systems Architect
> > Software Engineer
> > Software Project Specialist
> > Software Specialist
> > System Analyst
> > System Architect
> > System Engineer
> > System Programmer
> > Systems Programming Specialist
> > Systems Specialist
> > Technical Advisor
> > Technical Analyst
> > Technical Services Professional
> > Technical Specialist
> >
> > What title do you have as a system programmer?
> >
> > Bobby Herring
> > Texas Farm Bureau Insurance
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On
> Behalf Of Kirk Wolf
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:43 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: SFTP and z/OS Migration
> >
> >
> > IBM z/OS OpenSSH is a base feature of z/OS since V2R2.
> > When you install a new version of z/OS you will get a new version.
> > There are often migration actions from IBM having to do with /etc/ssh
> > configuration settings. When moving releases you would at minimum want
to
> > review any changes that you made from the IBM /samples and the new
> /samples
> > and merge those as appropriate.
> >
> > BTW: Here's a quick start guide that we have on customizing IBM z/OS
> > OpenSSH:
> >
>
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> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Roberto Halais <
[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Listers:
> >>
> >> My company has decided to forego FTP and go the SFTP way.
> >>
> >> I have installed OPENSSH and have SFTP working.
> >>
> >> I installed using the IBM user's guide and everything installed in the
> >> default libraries.
> >>
> >> My concern is, when we migrate to a new z/OS release do I have to do
> >> the whole install again?
> >>
> >> Can I, from the beginning, install all the SSH libraries in a
different
> >> filesystem so that when I migrate I can just mount the filesystem and
> >> execute.
> >> And later on install the new version Openssh.
> >>
> >> Don't know if I am clear in what I am asking.
> >>
> >> Just some tips on facilitating installing under a new release.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
>
> > [
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