Yes, and I hit Send too soon as well. There is a further FAQ later on the second page that points to a page that tells you how to qualify both for actual students and for already-experienced developers.
It's going to be an interesting time. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: System Programmer Titles Yes, someone on one of the Hercules lists found that page last month, then they deleted the "Learner's Edition" info from the website. There was some chatter that someone who actually contacted IBM about getting it was told it would be back sometime in October after sales people had been trained to process such requests. If you click on the "Compare Editions" link, the FAQ on that next page says that the Learner's Edition is "USD 120.00 per year for qualified applicants". "Qualified" is yet to be defined publicly. Peter -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: System Programmer Titles Found this: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/products/z-development-test-environment__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!YxkxCtcqbg7wyrnCxWpUZruUrOJzpzQ-7yAQzjnfFITyBhRnwEP2lo1HK-kPBptY5owhVA$ There is a "Learner's Edition" for "eligible students and hobbyists" just a "Contact us" without a price. On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 09:46 David Spiegel <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Bob, > Not allowing people to run z/OS on Intel may be a larger mistake. > > Regards, > David > > On 2021-10-12 10:36, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > > The biggest mistake "HAL" made was dissolving PSRs and SEs. They > > often > provided the marketing folks with potential sales leads way before the > manglers knew they needed stuff because the worker bees would ask for > information about future HW and SW in advance of speaking to the > higher ups! Speaking from personal experience on *both sides* of that fence. > > > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Bill Ogden > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 10:26 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: System Programmer Titles > > > > I was a Systems Engineer (with progressive title levels) for 30 > > years > (starting in 1966) with you-know-who, so I became a little curious > about the exact meaning of the title. Over the years I discovered > there was really no specific meaning to it. I am an electrical > engineer but no one ever checked on that as a condition for the title. > Other Systems Engineers (for the same BIG company) had various > backgrounds and most were not Engineers in a University sense or > license sense. We were usually known as SEs within the industry. > > > > As a general view (at that time, when the industry was younger and > > different) the SEs often formed a link between the practical > > customer > world (meaning technical management, sysprogs, programmers, etc) and > the home company processes (software development, blue sky marketing, > technical support, etc, etc). It was a good job and, in my opinion, it > is a bit unfortunate that the particular niche has mostly disappeared. > Some of us were more on the systems programming side (myself), some a > bit on the technical hardware side (myself also, but this was not > common), some on the mostly marketing side, etc, etc. It was a > slightly random mixture but seemed to work well at the time-----but that was > too many years ago! > > > > Today, I think one can flip coins to decide on a particular meaning > > for > the title. > > > > Bill Ogden > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send > email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN . > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. 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