Found this: https://www.ibm.com/products/z-development-test-environment
There is a "Learner's Edition" for "eligible students and hobbyists" just a "Contact us" without a price. On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 09:46 David Spiegel <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Bob, > Not allowing people to run z/OS on Intel may be a larger mistake. > > Regards, > David > > On 2021-10-12 10:36, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote: > > The biggest mistake "HAL" made was dissolving PSRs and SEs. They often > provided the marketing folks with potential sales leads way before the > manglers knew they needed stuff because the worker bees would ask for > information about future HW and SW in advance of speaking to the higher > ups! Speaking from personal experience on *both sides* of that fence. > > > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Bill Ogden > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 10:26 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: System Programmer Titles > > > > I was a Systems Engineer (with progressive title levels) for 30 years > (starting in 1966) with you-know-who, so I became a little curious about > the exact meaning of the title. Over the years I discovered there was > really no specific meaning to it. I am an electrical engineer but no one > ever checked on that as a condition for the title. Other Systems Engineers > (for the same BIG company) had various backgrounds and most were not > Engineers in a University sense or license sense. We were usually known as > SEs within the industry. > > > > As a general view (at that time, when the industry was younger and > > different) the SEs often formed a link between the practical customer > world (meaning technical management, sysprogs, programmers, etc) and the > home company processes (software development, blue sky marketing, technical > support, etc, etc). It was a good job and, in my opinion, it is a bit > unfortunate that the particular niche has mostly disappeared. Some of us > were more on the systems programming side (myself), some a bit on the > technical hardware side (myself also, but this was not common), some on the > mostly marketing side, etc, etc. It was a slightly random mixture but > seemed to work well at the time-----but that was too many years ago! > > > > Today, I think one can flip coins to decide on a particular meaning for > the title. > > > > Bill Ogden > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > . > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
