Classification: Confidential I concur, provided the new tools can actually do the job. IBM's recent track record in this and other areas has not been stellar (more like abysmal).
-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 11:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don't click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] While z/OSMF may be a step backward in some regards, that does not mean that all new tools are bad. I for one am not about to complain that IMAPTFLE is gone; SMP is far better. Tools like Docker are already part of the ecosystem, and it behooves IBM to acknowledge them. I just wish that they would acknowledge their abandoned child OREXX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3&data=04%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C8dedf4b253b7420cb27808d9b42ab1c6%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637738917748898389%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=BMhmuuxmxfLQJcWWfI%2BGrgAyHDQtqsLBX3yZh5S1EIg%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Tom Longfellow [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 9:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF The replies to my recent post are adding to my arguments. Adding dozens of new ways to get something to do actual work does not get final goals done faster. The actual work that the users (remember them) need do not care how cleverly the software is installed. They just want it now (or yesterday) . Sooner or later the rubber has to meet the road. Docker, noDocker, Anaconda, miniconda, rpm, and all the many items seen in the replies just look to me like a series of new learning curves that stand between and getting the job done. It becomes a learning/training nightmare when you are getting paid for results. I am reminded of reading job openings where they were looking for 10 years of experience in a software that has only been available for 2 years. If you really wanted the job you had to find a polite way to point out their lack of knowledge. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: ________________________________ The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. ________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
