1 mic, 4 mics, 40 mics, 400 mics is all irrelevant to the original topic. AWS was down for hours, longer for some. Important transactions just can’t be unavailable for hours and that’s why banks, health care, insurance, airlines, big retail, and others will never leave the mainframe.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 12:12 PM, patrickfalcone7 <[email protected]> wrote: I've not seen 4 mics, maybe less than 100 But I've not done any serious looking. My numbers, 5 mills to 400 mics was a quick overview to grab averages. Once I saw the numbers I knew there would be performance gains since my workloads are mostly, I would like to think, of fairly normal profile, weighted more heavily on IO than the other resources. And I did see movement graphically with backup windows, for one, moving back in time but did not do any further discoveries.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Ronald Wells <[email protected]> Date: 12/8/21 9:09 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: AWS is down. Stated well-----Original Message-----From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill JohnsonSent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:59 PMTo: [email protected]: Re: AWS is down.** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION **“Four microseconds is also nonsense”, is exactly what Metz said. He STATED that. I knew exactly what game he was playing from the very start. It’s his MO. Narcissism is what narcissists must do. I’m here to get facts, not play games trying to be friends. Knowing who the experts are is more important than the nonsense some people post or how often they post. It’s really pretty simple. You want zOS facts, Relson is the guy. You want SMP/E expertise, Kurt Q is the oracle.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 8:18 PM, patrickfalcone7 <[email protected]> wrote:Don't like to get into these but I have respect for Seymour and would ask you not to fan flames. While I understand Seymour's response he didn't necessarily state anything but questioned the possibility.Seymour I did not mean to put you in any unnecessary positions and apologize if I did. My post was only to state what metrics I've seen in the last couple of years. And you'd be surprised at how many might not know that it is possible to get mics on average with even backleveled kits.When we did our last array upgrade we went from 4 mills to around 400 to 500 mics. To me that is significant and ended up being so. I saw workload shifts in time due to the significance of the array swap.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Bill Johnson <[email protected]> Date: 12/8/21 4:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: AWS is down. LOLOLOLOL, I love when the so called “experts” are proven wrong.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 4:04 PM, patrickfalcone7 <[email protected]> wrote:Hope you are well. FWIW I've seem mics for sometime but mostly under favorable conditions. But lately have found mics on average from under 5 on avg. mills.with somewhat newer array technology on < z15 CPCs.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> Date: 12/8/21 9:05 AM (GMT-05:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: AWS is down. On what machine do you complete I/O in a microsecond?--Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metzhttps://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3________________________________________From&data=04%7C01%7CRon.Wells%40OMF.COM%7C3e88328fb0594ed0916208d9bab78967%7C57c0053cb5f84a1e8bb6e8afa09f3b82%7C0%7C0%7C637746119718822367%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=B6bRQ6uTPkP4Rit3AO0LH5UKTf1TLq%2Bvukt6xw5hboc%3D&reserved=0: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Bill Johnson [[email protected]]Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:31 AMTo: [email protected]: Re: AWS is down.I see someone who has never worked in health care where the mainframe processes each drug prescribed and checks for drug interactions in a microsecond. Yes, people die if the mainframe isn’t available. It’s also why there are plenty of pharmacies open 24 hours and why hospitals have pharmacies.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 8, 2021, 1:33 AM, kekronbekron <[email protected]> wrote:Critical infra in some places, sure, not everyone is denying that.At the moment of urgent need, do people really buy something and wait for MF to finish processing, for them to be then allowed to continue breathing?What happened to the interim stages (logstics etc).It sounds as though failure to buy/order something immediately is going to lead to their death... is what's being said.Sounds pretty privileged to me.It also sounds like it's assumed that mainframes will last 500 years, no?Did the world not exist before 1960s?Did people automatically die before 1960s because they didn't have MF?Are people and organizations not allowed to be wrong (to their own detriment), etc.Are we sure that 100% of all information out there is truth, apart from this announcement that AWS wants to replace MF?We can all like MF, but don't need to act like it's the sole saviour of humanity.Again that means that all technology that evolved since then is a complete waste of time and people's efforts.Sounds pretty delusional to me... just to convey that MFs are good servers.- KB‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 10:00 AM, Bill Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:> AWS had a larger & longer outage today, than all the outages on the mainframes I’ve worked on in the last 30 years. Much worse. Yet, some here think AWS is going to replace the mainframe for critical applications like banking, health care, big retail, and insurance. Plus, the mainframe has had plenty of negative posts here in the decades I’ve been involved. Nobody dies when Netflix isn’t available. (One of the hits from today) people can and do die if the drugs they need aren’t available because the computer system is down.>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021, 11:01 PM, kekronbekron [email protected] wrote:>> Not at anybody in particular:>> Do we have to make snide remarks because someone else had an outage?>> Don't we remember the times when things on the mainframe itself went south?>> Has every site's MF env. been 100% available through all these decades?>> Is it wrong to fail sometimes?>> Is this the attitude with which you'd like to retire, holding onto precious remarks and burning the path behind you as you leave?>> What does that say about one's mentality and outlook in life?>> - KB>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐>> On Wednesday, December 8th, 2021 at 3:54 AM, Ronald Wells [email protected] wrote:>> > Pretty pic/web pages make the $$ did you not get the memo> >> > -----Original Message-----> >> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [email protected] On Behalf Of John McKown> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:57 PM> >> > To: [email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: AWS is down.> >> > ** EXTERNAL EMAIL - USE CAUTION **> >> > Oh, but they advertise that they can replace mainframe. Well, maybe the processing. But not the on site reliability. Of course, for WFH, the internet is the week point. And, most likely, also the home equipment. I just had to reboot my Windows PC at home because it decided to stop talking to my internet router.> >> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 12:49 Bill Johnson < [email protected]> wrote:> >> > > Amazon Web Services is down. I can’t get to my pictures. Glad we don’t> > >> > > have our mainframe running there.> > >> > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send> > >> > > email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN> >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN> >> > Email Disclaimer> >> > This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. 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