There is IDCP at Marist College, https://idcp.marist.edu/
I have the equivalent of the IDCPt "z/OS System Programming Certificate" from when I took the course, then called "System Z Foundations Certificate", through 'Columbus State Community College', Columbus, Ohio, back in 2010. The instructor was a fellow coworker from Nationwide Insurance. Regards, Mark Regan, K8MTR, EN80tg CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017 z/OS Network Software Consultant Contractor, Checks & Balances, Inc. Email: marktre...@gmail.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-t-regan On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:28 PM Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com> wrote: > I've probably mentioned before on this forum that some years ago my oldest > son expressed an interest in learning mainframe skills, probably having > heard me talk about the job security it involves since so few people are > being trained for it by the colleges. I started asking around about places > I could rent space on a mainframe (and how much would it cost me), setting > up two IDs so I could teach my son the basics. > > The questions must have gotten around, because within a couple weeks > someone from IBM phoned me and said that if I could talk my local > university into starting a few mainframe classes, the university would have > to rent space from a data center and IBM would ~give~ me two accounts on it > for training my son. I called the one I knew best -- heck, I could teach > one or three of the classes myself -- but couldn't interest them. > > Actually, when I said the colleges might be "winning the war" I didn't > mean that mainframes are going away, but that the colleges' steadfast > refusal to see the value of training mainframe skills is causing the pool > of talent to diminish to the extent (maybe) that that dearth is forcing > employers to look at other platforms. But, as I added, that probably can't > go on very far; I'd expect a rebound at some point. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the > child as it is to the caterpillar. -Bradley Miller */ > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf > Of David Crayford > Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 04:20 > > I don't think the universities have got anything against the mainframe. > They don't have access to them. IBM should make mainframe emulators freely > available to all universities. Some of our best young guys have degrees in > engineering, not CS. It takes a long time to train new hires on the > mainframe. For example, JCL is arcane and generally despised by kids who > have grown up coding shell scripts. As you mentioned CICS it's worth noting > that CICS supports both Spring Boot and Node.js. They set the standard for > modernization. The open beta has a new has a new YAML file for resource > definitions that comes with a JSON schema so you can get context assist in > editors and validation in the DevOps pipeline. The CICS guys innovate and > modernize. I salute them. > > --- On 5/1/22 12:01 pm, Bob Bridges wrote: > > Hm. If that's true of many shops (and it sounds plausible), maybe my > sneers at the colleges' ignorant comments are ill-founded and they may be > starting to win their war against the mainframe. Of course, if their > efforts have a lot of effect then surely the need for CICS will reverse the > trend...wouldn't you think? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Crayford > > Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 21:48 > > > > It's true. The company I work for has been on-boarding millennials for > years now to replace the guys that are retiring. I work with some very > smart young guys, some of who write systems level code. None of them use > REXX unless it's used in a product they are working on. We're ripping and > replacing decades old build tools written in REXX with Python because it's > become technical debt and no one can support it. > > > > The typical millenial uses: > > > > * An IDE such as VS Code, IntelliJ, Slickedit with plugins for > > mainframe languages and to access the MVS file system. > > * They don't use TSO or the ISPF editor so there is no need for REXX > > edit macros etc. ISPF is mainly used for SDSF and submitting jobs. > > * They work in a interactive shell and use UNIX utilties. > > * Everything is stored in Git repositories. > > * They code scripts in Python, Node.js or a JVM language. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
