Bummer.  I can't imagine having my SDLC admin not be at least a semi-skilled 
z/OS professional, or better yet a set of skilled professionals, but ours is a 
very large shop so that's what I'm used to having.

You have my deepest sympathy.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: COBOL V6 question

that helps Greatly thanks so much Peter, I was thinking a major project to 
rework the entire process.

unfortunately our Endeavor admin has very little mainframe or Endeavor 
experience :(

thanks again

Carmen

On 1/11/2022 9:34 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:
> Carmen,
>
> Not *necessary* but still usable.  We are V6 also (6.2, not 6.3 yet), and 
> with 4.2 going off support this year management made a strong push to prevent 
> 4.2 modules (changes or additions) from going into production on a 
> going-forward basis.  OTOH, we still have many production programs that 
> haven't changed in a long time that were originally compiled with V3 running 
> just fine.
>
> Our DB2 and CICS SDLC process (in-house, not ISV product) still uses the 
> pre-compilers for V6.2 translations without any problems.  If your Endeavor 
> process to translate DB2 and/or CICS programs use the pre-compilers, they 
> will continue to work as before.  If it ain't broke, there's no urgent need 
> to "fix" it.
>
> One slight drawback of the "built-in" DB2 and CICS translation is that your 
> COBOL listing shows only the original SQL or EXEC CICS statements, not the 
> underlying MOVE's and CALL's that implement them (you have to use the LIST 
> compiler option to see the pseudo-assembler equivalent).  Some programmers 
> may call that an improvement, some won't.
>
> I'm not aware of any significant or documented program runtime performance 
> benefit from using the "built-in" translators, though there may be 
> compile-job efficiency to be gained (one step instead of several).
>
> HTH
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List<[email protected]>  On 
> Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 10:05 AM To:[email protected]
> Subject: COBOL V6 question
>
> Well I just inherited COBOL support and our programmers have been trying to 
> debug an issue with CICS COBOL, seems Ent COBOL V4 was still being used in 
> CICS TS 5.4. the tool used is Endeavor, long story short, V6 was being tested 
> in some processes but never updated in others.
> my question is mostly a sanity check, from what I've read the DB2 pre 
> compiler and the CICS translators are no longer needed, COBOL parms and 
> options are now used if these are DB2 or CICS programs ?
> this is valid ?
> thanks Carmen
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