> From the presentations I've seen they used CDC to capture writes and then published events to Kafka, which was fanned out to different micro-services to do fraud detection, payments, push notifications etc.
Any chance it's available for the public? I've seen a similar session by Confluent & Nationwide. Knowing others' implementation stories is super useful. - KB ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, June 19th, 2022 at 11:32 PM, David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote: > On 20/06/2022 12:38 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > > Keep in mind that the mainframe can only do batch processing, with input > > from cards. It doesn't support anything like CICS, IMS or Sabre.. > > > What have transactional systems like CICS or IMS got to do with > real-time, straight-through processing? Most mainframe transactions > store data that is later processed by batch, typically overnight. In the > case of banking transactions that require inter-bank settlements this > can cause delays of several days. In Australia the government mandated > the NPP (New Payments Platform) which facilities instant payments using > payids, which can be an email address, cellphone numbers etc. The API is > a simple REST API using HTTP > https://nppa.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/NPP-API-Framework-v4.0-Final.pdf. > It's my understanding that no bank implemented NPP on the mainframe. > From the presentations I've seen they used CDC to capture writes and > then published events to Kafka, which was fanned out to different > micro-services to do fraud detection, payments, push notifications etc. > Back in the day straight-through processing was a pipe dream which is > why we have overnight batch. It's a relic of applications written > decades ago for very different hardware platforms. > > > It's much better to run Linux than to get an IFL, which can only run batch. > > > I have no idea what you mean? > > > Cynical? Moi? > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of > > David Crayford [[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 2:36 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and > > AWS > > > > On 19/06/2022 5:23 am, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > > > > > I also agree, but as a non-insider, I wanted to know what others were > > > thinking. I also belive that in most cases, the effort spent trying to > > > get off the mainframe would be better spent actually fixing the code > > > running on it in the first place. Moving around broken code doesn't > > > automatically fix it. > > > It's not just about fixing broken code. If you read the ING CIO's > > > remarks about why they wanted off the mainframe it's not about the > > > platform. Nobody denies that mainframes are insanely brilliant hardware > > > platforms. ING wanted to get rid of batch and move towards an event > > > driven architecture using pub/sub where they can easily deploy loosely > > > coupled micro-services to provide cutting edge products. The technology > > > stacks are built on open source such as Kafka, MongoDB, Cassandra, NiFi, > > > Avro etc. The retail banking industry has been disrupted by fintechs so > > > waiting for an overnight batch schedule for settlements is a competitive > > > disadvantage. Cracking open and modernizing 50-60 year old COBOL batch > > > applications is a VERY heavy lift. > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1GoiNO6FBPSWW0D9FZYVYixer1jsPeSd_xH-wmi6jMOC-onAkZQ4Pkf3c1UMGWbQeEprnkSWa1xGxz4vvn-LF0jVrCFlVVFZKQJ4Jti8nbQ7QchsOxhwNiwluJrdKkQP2nXXHQH2Ut2NNa9VChfVBIDR7Akw4ud6_pIXLAFXO5l73Sv-iLZFNU1MWWnLapWhhCKvytdzs7EJTvNZ2qbU8xwCdBEl1UkUuL-jHHZLk6xJPxAadVRWP1nuLz8i5AZrfvDI8u8rZ0V0DT77_Uvu8klHLbL9xe2qaYi1P6a6mc8r9Aj2jothGC-CR9cbCgb-JVXupgin9UctH5C_iVMyn_T-9jzZjtNyZDETxb8hXMU-BOuUz89MGu1nniZJ2tvSSN8yh5A6K-_It8fA10UFCfSBhOB0NVkwKL5M8A2BxZ9_e111GnxGK_PAbj0wh5fvU/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theregister.com%2F2016%2F07%2F01%2Fing_mainframe_strategy%2F > > <- read > > the comments section. It's hilarious :) > > > > The doubly whammy is there's a skills crisis slowly unraveling. In the > > last year we've had 3 key resources move to 3 day weeks with a view to > > retiring. Replacing highly skilled assembler programmers with deep > > subsystem knowledge is proving to be difficult. Young people don't want > > to learn HLASM as they consider it a dead-end. Their position is "why > > invest 3-4 years learning a language that is useless if you move to > > another industry?" I can't comment about COBOL application developers. > > > > In 10 years time I expect the mainframe to be alive and kicking and > > significantly modernized. The small/medium shops will probably be all > > gone. When I first moved to my current town in 1998 there were 25-30 > > mainframe sites. Now there are 3 and 1 is on life support. One of our > > customers re-platformed their CICS/COBOL/Batch applications from a z9 to > > a single blade server. It doesn't make any sense financially for a small > > site to run a mainframe. > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-2iTgedz9DPApFopeywjfCeLAkb4kS8D5gFCEDU1FxvGiDWA4ou6pqJyb1d_hBAvGUBtcA89RrAylX3opaG2YEyDaGkIhptpRdukdHvdGOJNKn5bruFlKlnigitV6PrV4n-6zInQkhkJJdSriM40VeYiNOpB8Pg3nTa5E6k6TTIOXSfdaiQOGk1Y6EXL4Xtu-wkeXJmwaPEZljVo3KuwR0K75lrsX8fDe2f2CjcjvfrM3ruLG4na4zrAU_pR4DViMh7bKBhJ35a94VHU7GR4Vh_mXKaYwtbhwnRJWR8gVkvYjmB2CjTOIxJE52bNN1-82_fpYopX-kZQntDkR4OKjvj-b1AV9yXlGQ3A-eGFbtuCb0_1t2R9tgZ5MqgMbzxGQKIf78I2U_xq8a9qYywx3_OgfQwbeMgd8fiatdC5CbUSlphDlQfSDw9sOErejC7z/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.itnews.com.au%2Fnews%2Fwa-insurance-commission-decommissions-mainframe-322780 > > > > > Get BlueMail for > > > Androidhttps://secure-web.cisco.com/1bcgENTOsK8XbQ24q-R3ISXJI_yYDqxq2wHDg7brpU3Np08gk-JU47Zv8dYAGOAWnxVTv-NWRXAx9s4JTmUJU07wHFT67zaiAPG32upxzSYnSiKIM6O3YI79ZGti7V-QdCWRtiBxOjLh3oMxNvzCcJgTTW-HQmmeQii1zDdP-GC1Rs0umn7xhevV0-PazdAun8gOm5P8Ld_gCw2UojSyXNKZKfmsqJPnt96XgISsJy9-_K81O2L5O-GDW2nxM7_C00lPjk0sF0iNqPQKNZAhVr0kk4TCoT4ePDBbBBUCUw6KfhxpkkhmUuo549OfnVRHweKCGYhEm5WE9nw-5khsn01oqKJxbv_y6P4BrO5DGw0QG7NfYwbUflAaNRV_ljL51KqrNoQV0AdEetiWauYmab1O_GjVvCOudxDs52JwrFXbWBbqEqxhU7qQ3TS--F13f/https%3A%2F%2Fbluemail.me > > > On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Charles Mills > > > <[email protected]mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I always like the stories about the companies that are in the eighth year > > > of > > > a three-year project to get off the mainframe. > > > > > > Enzo, my friend, you have just kicked the hornets' nest! You had better > > > duck, because the onslaught is coming. "The mainframe is [not] dead" is > > > near > > > and dear to the hearts of IBM-MAINers. > > > > > > Yes, I think the consensus is that the mainframe has a future. IBM seems > > > to > > > be focused mainly on the very largest shops, so the trend seems to be > > > bigger > > > and bigger machines at fewer and fewer companies. But it is hard to > > > envision > > > Bank of America balancing their checking accounts every day on an array of > > > Windows servers, in their datacenter or in the cloud. My reading of the > > > tea > > > leaves -- I am not an insider -- is that for a long time IBM was saying > > > the mainframe was here to stay but internally they did not believe it and > > > were not making decisions on that basis -- but I think that has now > > > changed. > > > IBM appears to have made a HUGE investment in the z16, an investment that > > > will take more than 5 or more years to recoup. > > > > > > Welcome aboard! > > > > > > Charles > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato > > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:56 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM > > > and > > > AWS > > > > > > As someone who is new to this field, and hasn't been though a wave of "the > > > mainframe is going away" yet, will there still be companies running the > > > mainframe 5 or 10 years down the line? Also, when I read about companies > > > trying to get off of the mainframe, how often do these efforts end up > > > succeeding? > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [email protected] on behalf of > > > Mike Schwab [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 12:04 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM > > > and > > > AWS > > > > > > Moshix signed up for an AWS instance, loaded up Hercules and Turnkey > > > 4-, got it going, and allowed some other people to log in. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:31 AM Bill Johnson > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > Cloud - Something the mainframe has been doing for decades. We called it > > > outsourcing. GM ran their entire organization out of mainframes in > > > Charlotte, Dallas, & perhaps another in the 80's. The internet just made > > > it > > > easier, and less secure & reliable. Brought outsourcing to a wider > > > audience. > > > > > > Mainframe modernization. An oxymoron. Like saying today's cars are like > > > cars from 50 years ago. The mainframe is more advanced than any other > > > platforms. Billions of dollars of investment and patented technologies > > > have > > > guaranteed its place for decades to come. > > > > > > Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap, > > > unsecured, unreliable, platforms for small businesses, picture storage, > > > emails, instant messaging, and many other tasks that aren't show stoppers > > > if > > > they're hacked or down for one of many reasons. As Capital One found out > > > and > > > lost almost 200 million for the pleasure. > > > > > > I enjoy the glee that many of you exude when IBM has what might be > > > perceived as negative news. I saw the same glee when in the 90's some > > > idiot > > > said the mainframe would be history circa 2000. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 9:06 AM, zMan [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM David Crayford [email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > > Maybe it's the case that customers don't want to use IBMs cloud. Where I > > > live in Australia the big four banks are moving significant chunks of > > > their infrastructure to public cloud and have government legislation to > > > do so. NAB in particular have been quite aggressive, although like most > > > sensible enterprises they have gone down the multi-cloud route with > > > Microsoft Azure so they don't have all their eggs in one basket. > > > > > > It will be interesting to see if IBM can close the cloud gap. Playing > > > catch-up is difficult when competing with behemoths with a decade+ head > > > start. > > > > > > Indeed. Word from insiders is that since IBM "management" have decided > > > cloud is The Answer, folks have started playing games, like attributing > > > all > > > CICS-related revenue as "cloud". Q4 2020, IBM claimed $6.2B in cloud > > > revenue on total revenue of $16B. Given that nobody EVER says"cloud" and > > > "IBM" in the same sentence in the real world, those numbers are quite > > > difficult to believe without this kind of gameplaying. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
