Classification: Confidential I can count on one hand, the number of successful migrations I have encountered. The vast majority were over promised and under delivered. I know of 1 company with a 5-year plan to get of the mainframe. 25 years later, it is still there.
I am directly aware of there cases where the migration vendor was kicked out. I am currently involved in a project that I (at the minimum) expect to fall into the over-promised and under delivered category. IMO, most companies do not have the will or skill to manage this migration successfully. To answer your original question, I expect the mainframe to be around for many years HTH, -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 4:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don't click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] I also agree, but as a non-insider, I wanted to know what others were thinking. I also belive that in most cases, the effort spent trying to get off the mainframe would be better spent actually fixing the code running on it in the first place. Moving around broken code doesn't automatically fix it. Get BlueMail for Android<https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbluemail.me%2F&data=05%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C54ec629f86b7479a980d08da5170db53%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637911842425411415%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NmPeliTicH4moT7ogFSClbfDqqBdXfycsIx4BHwkm8s%3D&reserved=0> On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Charles Mills <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I always like the stories about the companies that are in the eighth year of a three-year project to get off the mainframe. Enzo, my friend, you have just kicked the hornets' nest! You had better duck, because the onslaught is coming. "The mainframe is [not] dead" is near and dear to the hearts of IBM-MAINers. Yes, I think the consensus is that the mainframe has a future. IBM seems to be focused mainly on the very largest shops, so the trend seems to be bigger and bigger machines at fewer and fewer companies. But it is hard to envision Bank of America balancing their checking accounts every day on an array of Windows servers, in their datacenter or in the cloud. My reading of the tea leaves -- I am not an insider -- is that for a long time IBM was *saying* the mainframe was here to stay but internally they did not believe it and were not making decisions on that basis -- but I think that has now changed. IBM appears to have made a HUGE investment in the z16, an investment that will take more than 5 or more years to recoup. Welcome aboard! Charles -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Enzo D'Amato Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS As someone who is new to this field, and hasn't been though a wave of "the mainframe is going away" yet, will there still be companies running the mainframe 5 or 10 years down the line? Also, when I read about companies trying to get off of the mainframe, how often do these efforts end up succeeding? ________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Mike Schwab <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 12:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS Moshix signed up for an AWS instance, loaded up Hercules and Turnkey 4-, got it going, and allowed some other people to log in. On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:31 AM Bill Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: Cloud - Something the mainframe has been doing for decades. We called it outsourcing. GM ran their entire organization out of mainframes in Charlotte, Dallas, & perhaps another in the 80's. The internet just made it easier, and less secure & reliable. Brought outsourcing to a wider audience. Mainframe modernization. An oxymoron. Like saying today's cars are like cars from 50 years ago. The mainframe is more advanced than any other platforms. Billions of dollars of investment and patented technologies have guaranteed its place for decades to come. Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap, unsecured, unreliable, platforms for small businesses, picture storage, emails, instant messaging, and many other tasks that aren't show stoppers if they're hacked or down for one of many reasons. As Capital One found out and lost almost 200 million for the pleasure. I enjoy the glee that many of you exude when IBM has what might be perceived as negative news. I saw the same glee when in the 90's some idiot said the mainframe would be history circa 2000. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, June 17, 2022, 9:06 AM, zMan <[email protected]> wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote: Maybe it's the case that customers don't want to use IBMs cloud. Where I live in Australia the big four banks are moving significant chunks of their infrastructure to public cloud and have government legislation to do so. NAB in particular have been quite aggressive, although like most sensible enterprises they have gone down the multi-cloud route with Microsoft Azure so they don't have all their eggs in one basket. It will be interesting to see if IBM can close the cloud gap. Playing catch-up is difficult when competing with behemoths with a decade+ head start. Indeed. Word from insiders is that since IBM "management" have decided cloud is The Answer, folks have started playing games, like attributing all CICS-related revenue as "cloud". Q4 2020, IBM claimed $6.2B in cloud revenue on total revenue of $16B. Given that nobody EVER says"cloud" and "IBM" in the same sentence in the real world, those numbers are quite difficult to believe without this kind of gameplaying. ________________________________ For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ________________________________ For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? ________________________________ For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ________________________________ For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ________________________________ For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: ________________________________ The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. 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