Perhaps no one has :grokked" the difference is because either there isn't one 
or because it is so poorly explained and discussed as to be non-existent.   
This sounds like more marketing hype perpetrated by individuals that know 
buzzwords and little else.



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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
David Crayford
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 6:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

Thanks. I’ve seen something similar on the ACM 
https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/1476793.1476796

> On 20 Jun 2022, at 8:51 pm, Joe Monk <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19690000381
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 7:00 AM David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> And yet still nobody seems to have grokked the fundamental 
>> differences between online systems and event-driven architectures. 
>> This is obviously not the forum for discussions on contemporary 
>> software architectures. It always deteriorates into a deluge of 
>> boring and undiscerningposts about how it's nothing new and was 
>> already done back in the day on a S360 with 4K ram and a paper-taper reader 
>> held together with gaffer tape.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event-driven_architecture
>> 
>>> On 20/06/2022 7:40 pm, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> Before MQ there were QTAM and TCAM.
>> <groan>
>>> 
>>> There have been mainframes running real time applications since the
>> 1960s. Air traffic control. Airline reservations. Controlling traffic 
>> lights (UNIVAC, not IBM.) These may not be the best examples, but 
>> they were the first to come to mind, and used off the shelf mainframes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on
>> behalf of René Jansen [[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 5:50 AM
>>> To:[email protected]
>>> Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with 
>>> IBM
>> and AWS
>>> 
>>> You can make that 'about 30 years ago' - time flies while we’re 
>>> having
>> fun.
>>> 
>>> René.
>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 09:51, Colin Paice<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> MQ from IBM developed about 20+ years ago helped get from Batch to real
>>>> time.   You put messages to a queue, and it can run IMS transactions
>>>> (including OTMA),  CICS transactions, or even batch!.  You can put 
>>>> on
>> one
>>>> member in a sysplex and get in another member.
>>>> It has single put, and also publish/subscribe capability.
>>>> 
>>>> Colin
>>>> 
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