On 3/3/23 12:51, Mike Schwab wrote:
They only got a few dongles out before they shut the program down.
That's disappointing. IIRC, IBM allow access to containerized z/OS
images. I don't know anything about how one would procure access but I
believe Peter Farley has experience in that space.
On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:22 PM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's my understanding that IBM made the zPDT available at a much more
affordable price with quite restrictive T&C's. I do agree with your
sentiments. I work with young guys and they raised the same point,
accessibility to a system to kick tires is an issue for young guys
considering a career as a mainframer.
On 3/3/23 11:27, David Spiegel wrote:
Hi David,
You said: "... If we want to attract and retain young talent we need
tools that they are familiar with ...".
That is not the entire story. IBM also should realize that allowing
people to experiment with z/OS via Hercules (for free) is in their
best interest.
How many more decades will this take and will it be too late by the
tie IBM figures it out?
Regards,
David
On 2023-03-02 19:40, David Crayford wrote:
On 2/3/23 22:10, Rick Troth wrote:
On 3/2/23 05:49, David Crayford wrote:
I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run
in a TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that
and it's orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the advantage
of package management. The next gen guys don't use TSO/ISPF and
they're going to use Python and couldn't give a hoot about NetRexx.
Lua is great. (Got a link to the MVS version of it?)
Yes
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FLua4z%2FLua4z&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jeAvZSPCDIzkEhY0X5UMvrcno4CSGEGC%2BHUCTdaGs%2FY%3D&reserved=0
and the doc is here
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flua4z.github.io%2FLua4z%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lb%2Fta5hn0YrHv55d1uZdfLnMh7JIfpIrDLR%2F0bLqyAM%3D&reserved=0
which includes the installation instructions.
Disclaimer: lt's my port. It's an EBCDIC port and I tweaked the
package loader to support PDS source data sets. Check out lpeg [1],
it rocks and is frequently used to write transpilers [2]
[1]
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inf.puc-rio.br%2F~roberto%2Flpeg%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AtRLB0kd74fylPFeqmFPxm2ovG5BawGC03vNSgiUx5U%3D&reserved=0
[2]
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmoonscript.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gGBIv%2BkBUUO0Y%2BWuxQrK4MoV%2BNy%2FUnHQnXbVm0cvmDQ%3D&reserved=0
But language-centric ecosystems not so much. (everything from PIP to
Maven)
We've lost the concept of inter-language calls.
With increasing numbers of new and amazing languages, we seem to be
LESS able to choose and use the right language for the function.
It's great that there is more choice on z/OS now but we are still way
behind other platforms such as Linux. If we want to attract and
retain young talent we need tools that they are familiar with. IBM
are investing heavily on porting tools to z/OS and have a dedicated
team headed up by a distinguished engineer. IBM don't do altruism so
they obviously take this seriously. I see they have a port of rsync
which piqued my interest.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FZOSOpenTools&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iO2AsRLJSLWKM7VYXy5euYnP0uHhVm57Qd1COtLdGgY%3D&reserved=0
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