I remember 1.3.3 and have located an announcement letter for 1.3.6; I vaguely recall seeing a reference to later sub-releases.
________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of David Spiegel <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 8:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: zOSMF Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, Do you remember MVS/SP V1 R3.8? I don't. Freilichen Purim Regards, David On 2023-03-06 23:39, Seymour J Metz wrote: > MVS/SP V1 R3.8? I believe that was the last release that did not require XA > or better. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C9883e01892ef41b36f5508db1f11d242%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638137933632579833%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qjcCiwisaRQbco%2B%2BNYND4o1liZEAB%2FVK3WTMI%2BgCU0s%3D&reserved=0 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of > David Spiegel [[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: zOSMF > > Hi Terri, > "...MVS 1.3.8..." I don't remember 1.3.8. Which year was this? > (I've heard of MVS 3.8 and MVS/SP 1.3, though.) > > Regards, > David > > On 2023-03-06 20:12, Shaffer, Terri wrote: >> When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a 30 >> minute task. So adding z/OSMF was never even brought up as a consideration. >> >> So while I understand the direction IBM is headed, its adding LOTS of layers >> to something that sound not be hard. Running thru screens vs submitting a >> canned job, is hours vs minutes. >> >> As much as I love my job and starting with MVS 1.3.8 to now z/OS 2.5 and >> even OS/390, they have added a layer of complexity that eliminated the KISS >> principle, sadly. >> >> So I have to disagree.......... >> >> Ms Terri E Shaffer >> Senior Systems Engineer, >> z/OS Support: >> ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter >> H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) >> [email protected] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> Rob Schramm >> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 4:27 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: zOSMF >> >> EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the >> content is safe. >> >> >> I think the promise of zosmf is far beyond just a server pack replacement. >> Yeah server pack was great for what it was but when it comes to the grind of >> installing over and over and over again and the customization the workflow >> features I believe really hold the promise to fixing what is a continuously >> pain in the butt situation. And hopefully they'll continue to make it >> lighter and lighter. But the other part is the distribution points and the >> packaging for distribution. Yeah I don't really care how it happens whether >> it's a GUI or not. But in my view this is steps in the right direction. >> >> I would point you to Ed's presentation on the workflow features that were >> incorporated to E/JES2 installation. I really think there's something here. >> >> Just my two cents. >> >> Rob Schramm >> >> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 12:06 Michael Babcock <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I agree. We use a permanent maintenance LPAR which is generally not up. >>> With ServerPac, it didn't matter we could select it as the target from our >>> driving system. With z/OSMF, if run on the driving system, z/OSMF wanted >>> the target up and wanted to communicate with it via z/OSMF. Not good >>> for us. >>> >>> Further, PSWI uses DSS to restore the datasets and ignores any >>> DATACLAS parameters. Our OMVS datasets are all EXTADDR so we had to >>> build a REXX EXEC to copy the OMVS datasets to a newly allocated OMVS >>> dataset with the >>> EXTADDR attribute. Which by the way, what happens when the ROOT grows >>> beyond 4GB? >>> >>> There were a number of other things we ran into which escape me at the >>> moment. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 10:15 AM Shaffer, Terri < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Randy, >>>> I completely agree, This will be my 40th year working on z/OS and >>>> at least another 7 years to go. >>>> >>>> I find z/OSMF cumbersome. I prefer to do things close to the source. >>> Not >>>> a tool to add layers of complexity and places to go wrong with yet >>>> more strange messages. >>>> >>>> I installed z/OS 2.5 before they eliminated SERVERPAC. I then >>>> ordered it again to try it thru z/OSMF, it added a lot more time, >>>> the SSA's, my SMS ACS routines and how things got built added to the >>>> complexity. Plus >>> there >>>> are many times I would bypass steps in serverpac, that because >>>> z/OSMF is performing what they call checks, think idiot proofing, >>>> makes this even more difficult. >>>> >>>> More to come, but if I find work arounds, I will bypass in the >>>> future >>> what >>>> I can in z/OSMF software installs. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ms Terri E Shaffer >>>> Senior Systems Engineer, >>>> z/OS Support: >>>> ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter >>>> H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On >>>> Behalf Of Harris Randy - Nashville >>>> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 9:03 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: zOSMF >>>> >>>> EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you >>>> know >>> the >>>> content is safe. >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm sure my complaints don't do any good, but I've been doing this >>>> for 25 years (I know many of you a lot longer). >>>> I don't understand why IBM wants to force everyone to use z/OSMF. >>>> Maybe it's an attempt to attract a younger group of System Programmers. >>>> That's fine. However, I am not a GUI fan. I like the green screen. >>>> Serverpac works great. I am running into issues trying to learn z/OSMF. >>>> It's a waste of my time when I already know how to use Serverpac. >>>> >>>> Randy Harris >>>> P 615-344-3244 >>>> C 662-401-8552 >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On >>>> Behalf Of rpinion865 >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 9:37 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: {EXTERNAL} zOSMF >>>> >>>> CAUTION! This email originated from outside of our organization. DO >>>> NOT CLICK links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender >>>> and know the content is safe. >>>> >>>> Running zOSMF under z/OS 2.4. 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