Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, I worked for 2 quirky customers in a row. Both had MVS 3.8J.When I arrived at the 2nd one in 1983, they were still running OS/VS1 7D with BPE.
Regards, David On 2023-03-07 17:11, Seymour J Metz wrote:
ITYM OS/VS2 3.8J. I would have expected that by 1986 most MVS customers would have installed MVS/SE if not MVS/SP; both MVS/SE and MVS/SP V1 installed on top of OS/VS2 3.8 with an appropriate SU repertoire.. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3&data=05%7C01%7C%7C989892be606c4b25093908db1f58f113%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638138239196061450%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=IE7UpZnR5ixloFwSemvhrQdQW0ld5nlKuzpEF%2BycFSs%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 4:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF Hi Terri, Maybe you mean OS2/MVS 3.8(J)? That could've been circa 1986. (I also have a similar progression, but, did VS1 7D with BPE before MVS.) Regards, David On 2023-03-07 15:25, Shaffer, Terri wrote:It was 1984/1985, maybe 1986 even, as my memory is foggy.. yes mvs/sp 3.8 I added the 1. Then XA/ESA/OS390/z-OS Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Hi Terri, "...MVS 1.3.8..." I don't remember 1.3.8. Which year was this? (I've heard of MVS 3.8 and MVS/SP 1.3, though.) Regards, David On 2023-03-06 20:12, Shaffer, Terri wrote:When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a 30 minute task. So adding z/OSMF was never even brought up as a consideration. So while I understand the direction IBM is headed, its adding LOTS of layers to something that sound not be hard. Running thru screens vs submitting a canned job, is hours vs minutes. As much as I love my job and starting with MVS 1.3.8 to now z/OS 2.5 and even OS/390, they have added a layer of complexity that eliminated the KISS principle, sadly. So I have to disagree.......... Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Rob Schramm Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 4:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. I think the promise of zosmf is far beyond just a server pack replacement. Yeah server pack was great for what it was but when it comes to the grind of installing over and over and over again and the customization the workflow features I believe really hold the promise to fixing what is a continuously pain in the butt situation. And hopefully they'll continue to make it lighter and lighter. But the other part is the distribution points and the packaging for distribution. Yeah I don't really care how it happens whether it's a GUI or not. But in my view this is steps in the right direction. I would point you to Ed's presentation on the workflow features that were incorporated to E/JES2 installation. I really think there's something here. Just my two cents. Rob Schramm On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 12:06 Michael Babcock <bigironp...@gmail.com> wrote:I agree. We use a permanent maintenance LPAR which is generally not up. With ServerPac, it didn't matter we could select it as the target from our driving system. With z/OSMF, if run on the driving system, z/OSMF wanted the target up and wanted to communicate with it via z/OSMF. Not good for us. Further, PSWI uses DSS to restore the datasets and ignores any DATACLAS parameters. Our OMVS datasets are all EXTADDR so we had to build a REXX EXEC to copy the OMVS datasets to a newly allocated OMVS dataset with the EXTADDR attribute. Which by the way, what happens when the ROOT grows beyond 4GB? There were a number of other things we ran into which escape me at the moment. On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 10:15 AM Shaffer, Terri < 0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:Randy, I completely agree, This will be my 40th year working on z/OS and at least another 7 years to go. I find z/OSMF cumbersome. I prefer to do things close to the source.Nota tool to add layers of complexity and places to go wrong with yet more strange messages. I installed z/OS 2.5 before they eliminated SERVERPAC. I then ordered it again to try it thru z/OSMF, it added a lot more time, the SSA's, my SMS ACS routines and how things got built added to the complexity. Plusthereare many times I would bypass steps in serverpac, that because z/OSMF is performing what they call checks, think idiot proofing, makes this even more difficult. More to come, but if I find work arounds, I will bypass in the futurewhatI can in z/OSMF software installs. Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Harris Randy - Nashville Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 9:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you knowthecontent is safe. I'm sure my complaints don't do any good, but I've been doing this for 25 years (I know many of you a lot longer). I don't understand why IBM wants to force everyone to use z/OSMF. Maybe it's an attempt to attract a younger group of System Programmers. That's fine. However, I am not a GUI fan. I like the green screen. Serverpac works great. I am running into issues trying to learn z/OSMF. It's a waste of my time when I already know how to use Serverpac. Randy Harris P 615-344-3244 C 662-401-8552 james.harr...@hcahealthcare.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of rpinion865 Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 9:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: {EXTERNAL} zOSMF CAUTION! This email originated from outside of our organization. DO NOT CLICK links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Running zOSMF under z/OS 2.4. In attempting to load the Portable Software Instance, retrieving the contents from the directory, that was used when the order was retrieved to our system, I get the following error. An error was found in file "/u/pinionr/TDMF/IZUD00DF.json". Error: "The file contains data that is not supported by the current level of z/OSMF. The version = 8."IZUD277E Feb 16, 2023, 10:14:02 AM I have no idea how to proceed. If I need to apply maintenance to zOSMF, how would I be able to proceed? 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