> On 11 May 2023, at 6:25 am, Frank Swarbrick <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone here ever used X11 under z/OS?

Yes, it sucks! I don’t see the point of in in 2023 where almost all GUI 
applications are browser based progressive web applications. Even IDE’s like VS 
Code are HTML/TypeScript and built with Electron. ChromeOS is a Linux 
distribution which uses Google Chrome as it’s principle UI.

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:36 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]
> 
> Current versions of, e.g., bash, go, ooRexx, perl, python, ruby, rust, x11.
> 
> 
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> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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> ________________________________________
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of 
> Farley, Peter [[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:34 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]
> 
> "Install bash" is not a possibility in some shops.  IBM needs to make bash 
> available (and supported) in ALL delivered/updated z/OS systems, as a 
> standard part of z/OS, so that there is no choice in the matter.  Ditto for 
> all the other necessary GNU utilities of course.
> 
> Again, just my USD$0.02.
> 
> Peter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
> Phil Smith III
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:23 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols]
> 
> Peter Farley wrote:
>> Well, if Open XL C/C++ is the "wave of the future" then IBM had better 
>> plan to also buy and integrate all of Rocket's GNU ports (especially
>> bash) because I for one can NOT work in that @#$%!^ POSIX "sh" they 
>> supply at the moment. It is a hideous shell to try to work in. It does 
>> not even support using the arrow keys to recall previous commands, the 
>> backspace key does not work to let you fix command text . . . I could 
>> go on, but what's the point. It is just plain awful.
> 
> Install bash and use that. Not disagreeing, it *is* awful. if IBM is still 
> serious about USS they need to spend a (relatively) SMALL amount of effort to 
> add standard things like bash, curl, and dos2unix. It's a huge blocker to 
> anyone trying to do real work there.
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