There's one thing you're ignoring: research shows that speed differential is more of a factor in accidents and injuries than absolute speed. A truck going 10 MPH slower than the rest of traffic is more of a hazard than a truck moving at traffic speed, even at 70 MPH.
On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:02 PM Bill Johnson < [email protected]> wrote: > European roads are way better than US roads. Size & speed are the 2 most > important factors in accidents. A larger/heavier vehicle traveling at a > high rate of speed takes much longer to stop than a lighter slower vehicle. > Basic physics. Wet or icy roads even longer stopping distance. That > explains why this is true. > > Most EU member states have fewer than 80 road deaths per million people > per year. Most U.S. states have more — and ten have at least double that > figure. Even Romania, the worst performer in the EU, is doing better than > almost half of all U.S. states.Jun 1, 2022 > > Profits take preference over lives. > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, August 7, 2023, 7:46 PM, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm assuming that Bill Johnson has look at statistics on deaths per > kilogram-kilometer (or deaths per ton-mile if you don't like Metric). And, > yes, there are other factors affecting that, e.g., condition of road > surface. > > Personally, I think that truck speed and truck size are independent > variables, so I would like to see a study that did a four-way comparison: > large-fast, large, slow, small-fast, small-slow. I suspect that speed is > more relevant than size, but data trump suspicions. And what about shipping > by rail or, where feasible, by boat? > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf > of Bob Bridges [[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 7:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: Cloud may be overpriced compared to on-premises > systems > > This is off-topic, and I'll happily take it up with both Bill and Shmuel > offline if requested. But I may as well point out that "fewer deaths" may > not be as simple as they're assuming. It seems likely to me as well that > if we had smaller trucks going slower, fewer people would die in accidents > caused by bigger trucks going faster. But how many people would die > because of smaller trucks going slower? You gotta compare deaths to > deaths, not simply deaths to nothing. > > Why would people die from smaller trucks going slower? Well, a good deal > less cargo would be transported as a result, and I surmise (but it's only > surmise) that there'd be a lot more pressure on drivers, as a result, to > produce more. Some of that pressure would translate to tired drivers. And > all of it would translate to more expensive transportation, meaning that > poorer people would have increased difficulty affording the goods that are > cheaper now. > > Don't assume I'm saying that it's better as we do things now. I'm not; > I'm just saying that "this cause of death would be reduced" is no help > unless you can estimate how many deaths would also increase. And if anyone > thinks there'd be NO deaths owing to more expensive goods, I'll just shut > up. > > --- > Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313 > > /* A good scare is worth more than good advice. -Horace (65 BC – 8 BC) */ > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf > Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 18:45 > > For Americans here who’ve never been to Europe, trucks in Europe are much > smaller than US trucks, are required to have governors to limit their > speed, and are restricted to the right lane. The result is far fewer > traffic deaths involving trucks. > > In addition, Europeans almost never drive pickups and their automobiles > are much smaller. > > Their rates of deaths and serious injury are far less than America. > > So for you pro life people, perhaps some road restrictions would keep more > people alive. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
