That's it, thanks! DIS(WRITE) and make sure you have a backup of your
PDS's, because they will be junk if the job fails. That's what I
remember from the 1980's.
On 8/24/2023 12:36 PM, David Spiegel wrote:
Hi Tom,
"... And what was that option so it didn't read/write each PDS directory
entry separately and take all day? ..."
DIS (Directories in Storage)
Please see:
GC28-0673-6 OS/VS System Modification Program (SMP) System Programmer's
Guide (prycroft6.com.au)
<https://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/download/GC28-0673-6_SMP_SysPgmrGde_Sep80OCR.pdf>
Page 85
Regards,
David
On 2023-08-24 15:16, Tom Brennan wrote:
Wow, you reminded me of SMP4, my first. Exclude lists! And what was
that option so it didn't read/write each PDS directory entry
separately and take all day? SMP/E was like a revolution. Great work
by the designers.
On 8/24/2023 12:05 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Symbols?
SMP may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what came before.
SMP2, SMP3, SMP4 and SMP/E were each an improvement, and SMP/E has
itself evolved significantly.
Perfect? Of course not. But still essential.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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I don't think SMP/E is evil, I think it's unfinished. As I wrote
before, the inconsistent support for symbols and the execrable error
messages lead to tons of wasted time, frustration, and hatred. Yet
the actual concepts and functioning are pretty cool-how often have
you wanted to back off a Windows patch? So sad, too bad, you applied
it, your only option is a rollback to a previous checkpoint, if you
have one and can find it. Etc.
If it supported symbols consistently and someone paid attention to
the errors and made them more coherent, several things would happen:
1. Folks would make fewer errors
2. When they do make errors, they'd be able to say "Oh, right"
and fix them, rather than wasting hours
3. They wouldn't hate SMP/E as so many seem to
Since, aside from vendors like us with automated testing, SMP/E
results are (I think?) unlikely to be subject to automation, changing
errors seems like it would be pretty safe. Actually, since the errors
ARE so grim, what testing exists is, I expect, like ours: it looks
for RC=0 (or 4, sometimes) and if it doesn't get what it wants, punts
to a human anyway!
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