Thank you Jon,
I will convey your suggestions to the customer and talk with them to see
how it fits their needs.
Arye Shemer

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:32 AM Jon Perryman <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:52:26 +0300, Arye Shemer <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >the standard existing backup policies (ex: taking copies to another remote
> >site in this country)  are not sufficient.
> >Hence the idea of backup to another geographical (cloud) area is raised.
>
> I believe you are saying that you want offsite out of country backup. Are
> there any other uses for this backup than disaster recovery? For instance,
> will it be used for file recovery or will onsite copies of these backups be
> used for file recovery?
>
> >(TS7700...) were already offered to the customer but rejected.
>
> The obvious problem is maintaining a TS7700 in another country and moving
> it if that country becomes a problem.
>
> I personally don't recommend using the offsite backups for specific file
> recovery. Disaster recovery is suitable. Volume recovery is suitable if it
> can meet your recovery requirements. I don't think build an inhouse
> solution would be difficult if you already maintain offsite disaster
> recovery tapes. Here is how I would approach this:
>
> Step 1. Convert the backup to make it portable.
>
> I don't know z/VM backup / restore backup file structure. I suspect z/VM
> doesn't care about disk or tape block sizes. In z/OS, we would use IBM's
> AMATERSE to retain file and block attributes. I suspect (but not sure)
> AMATERSE also creates checksum to verify the file is not corrupted during
> transmission. To restore the file, AMATERSE has an option to restore the
> z/OS file.
>
> Step 2. Create programs to send and receive the backups to the cloud or
> non-cloud server.
>
> You don't care if this is a cloud solution as long as it meets your
> requirements.
>
> There are many ways to send and receive these backups to the cloud. As
> Timothy said, writing a program using cloud objects is one solution. There
> are other cloud API's that could also accomplish your goals.
>
> I suspect there are other solutions that I haven't considered.
>
> if your customer does not want to become cloud literate. then maybe use
> FTP is an option because many cloud providers support FTP. Does z/VM FTP
> have a REXX API like z/OS? If not then maybe pipes would allow you to use
> REXX. Worst case, you stack commands to FTP and process the messages file.
>
> Another possibility is to send the file to a local PC that mapped the
> cloud as a local drive (e.g. MS Onedrive).
>
> You don't care if the solution is cloud enabled. Maybe your disaster
> recovery provider also provides offsite backup services.
>
> Step 3. Test, test, test.
>
> Setting customer expectations from the solution requires testing backup
> and restore, using someone with minimal knowledge and experience ensures
> disaster recovery doesn't require key personnel.
>
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