John and Gil, I am not trying to argue with anyone or take this personally .......
Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On May 21, 2013, at 10:06 AM, John Gilmore <[email protected]> wrote: > On 5/21/13, Scott Ford <[email protected]> wrote: >> Gil, >> >> You have your opinion and I have mine. Lets leave it at that. >> >> Scott ford >> www.identityforge.com >> from my IPAD >> >> 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' >> >> >> On May 21, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Paul Gilmartin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 01:03:33 -0400, Scott Ford wrote: >>>> >>>> First of all, been around a block a few thousand times..it's >>>> irresponsible from the standpoint of publishing how to do it. I wouldn't >>>> do this or even consider doing it ...but that's me >>> WTF!? If there were a real threat it would be discussed by now in >>> responsible channels such as US-CERT or DoHS or IBM integrity >>> APARs. Has there been any such notification? (Of course, IBM >>> wouldn't discuss it -- you'd have to open an SR and be told, "Known >>> issue; please don't tell any one else.") >>> >>> Walt Farrell has said here in this thread that the technique doesn't >>> enable a programmer to do anything he couldn't do directly in the >>> batch job. I trust his expertise; nor do I believe he's throwing up a >>> smoke screen (though I suspect him of doing so on a different >>> topic three years ago). >>> >>> An analogous situation: Two weeks ago it was discussed here that >>> when system administrators rely on the IKJEFF10 exit to enforce >>> rules about batch jobs, it's ineffective; IKJEFF10 is not entered >>> for jobs submitted via SYSOUT=(,INTRDR) and perhaps other >>> channels. I consider this a due caution to system administrators >>> that they should not be depending on a flawed technique. Do you, >>> in contrast, deem it "irresponsible from the standpoint of publishing >>> how to do it"? >>> >>> And, e.g., even IBM's very open discussion of APAR OA30897 (GIYF) >>> contains enough information that it it is implicitly "publishing how >>> to do it". I consider IBM's action in this matter highly responsible. >>> >>>> Scott ford >>>> www.identityforge.com >>> Please don't forge my identity. >>> >>> -- gil >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > > > -- > John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA > > t. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
