Mike,

I have normally been on the RACF-L list, however, since changing jobs last 
year, I've had some problems with the e-mails from the list getting through to 
my new e-mail address.

I, personally, have not seen work running without a valid RACF userid 
associated with it, though I have been in smaller shops, most of my career, 
where it was nominally easier to know all the work running on the system.

Peter

On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:22:17 -0500, Mike Cairns <[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi Peter,
>
>Radoslaw and I probably spend more time over on the RACF_L list than here on 
>IBM-MAIN, but I still like to keep an eye open here.
>
>The use of ID(*) ACCESS(READ) is well known among the RACF community as the 
>'preferred' option to UACC nowadays, and the reason you cite is indeed 
>mentioned in the literature.  Though I'm not sure about the NJE port of entry 
>still being able to actually get a batch job running under the JES 
>UNDEFINEDUSER, I have a recollection that the RACF SETROPTS setting 
>BATCHALLRACF(YES) should prevent a batch job from initiating with the 
>UNDEFINEDUSER value, though I have a vague recollection that BATCHALLRACF 
>itself has been redundant also for many years now as well.
>
>I'm intrigued generally to ask of this community, just how often does anyone 
>observe work executing on their system *without* a valid RACF (or ACF2 or 
>TopSecret) identity associated with it?  
>
>I think there might still be one or two started tasks, probably running as 
>TRUSTED or PRIVILEGED, that are initiated in nucleus initialisation that may 
>still run with traditionally either the 8 plusses or the 8 question marks as 
>their ID, we can see them in SDSF, but realistically I don't believe that we 
>see work running under the UNDEFINEDUSER in modern systems for a long time 
>nowadays.  I'd be keen to hear otherwise if there is though.
>
>Cheers - Mike
>
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