If " works just as well" is your criteria, you should be able to do it for a 
lot less than that. :) 

-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Kirk Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: OT - from June, an article on how fantastic healthcare.gov is

David,

The referenced article only seems to talk about the front end "UX".  The CTO of 
HHS didn't even mention the back end (done by CGI Federal).
 Probably slipped his mind :-)

The entire system reported cost over 600 million USD (so far).   I would
bet that I could put together a team of IBM-MAINers and build a system that 
works just as well for half as much ;-)

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:58 PM, David Crayford <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 15/10/2013 4:21 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote:
>
>> How great to finally have government information systems built by 
>> hipsters....
>>
>
> Hardly hipsters. The project was outsourced to CGI Federal :). There 
> are certainly parallels here with gov.uk, but gov.uk has been a 
> resounding success.
> It's a bit like one of those UK TV shows like Fawlty Towers that gets 
> remade in the US and fails miserably. However, gov.uk, like most 
> sensible startups, had the good sense to use the elastic cloud. Once 
> you know how much capacity you need you can always bring it back in 
> house.
>
> It's so bad even the github repo page 404s.
>
>
>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/**technology/archive/2013/06/**
>> healthcaregov-code-developed-**by-the-people-and-for-the-**
>> people-released-back-to-the-**people/277295/<http://www.theatlantic.c
>> om/technology/archive/2013/06/healthcaregov-code-developed-by-the-peo
>> ple-and-for-the-people-released-back-to-the-people/277295/>
>>
>>
>> A great quote from the article:
>>
>> Jekyll, for those who are unfamiliar with web-development trends, is 
>> a way for developers to build a static website from dynamic 
>> components. Instead of running a traditional website with a 
>> relational database and server-side code, using Jekyll enables 
>> programmers to create content like they create code. The end result 
>> of this approach is a site that loads faster for users, a crucial 
>> performance issue, particularly on mobile devices.
>> "Instead of [running] farms of application servers to handle massive 
>> load, you're basically slimming down to two," said Sivak. "You're 
>> just using HTML5, CSS, and Javascript, all being done in responsive 
>> design. The way it's being built matters. You could in theory do the 
>> same with application servers and a CMS, but it would be much more 
>> complex. What we're doing here is giving anyone with basic skills to 
>> basic changes on the fly. You don't need expensive consultants."
>>
>> To be fair, the major problems reportedly are not with the UI, but 
>> with the
>> back end.   IMO, an example of "pig lipstick".
>>
>> PS> For extra laughs, read some of the comments.
>>
>
> For an extra giggle 
> http://www.reddit.com/r/**webdev/comments/1nj692/<http://www.reddit.co
> m/r/webdev/comments/1nj692/>
> .
>
>
>> Kirk Wolf
>> Dovetailed Technologies
>> http://dovetail.com
>>
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