I did request that IBM open up a DCR,

MR0310145254 - Provide support for CTR mode for AES algorithm.
With priority 'urgent'. The deadline for a response is 2014 Jun08.

The more people that concur the better I'm assuming.

Mark Jacobs

On 03/10/14 18:48, Kirk Wolf wrote:
Right.   As I understand this was a potential vulnerability in *some*
implementations.  According to IBM, there's does not, but some partners may
have it disabled.

IMO it is a good idea to submit your requirement to IBM to support AES CTR
mode in ICSF.  CTR mode also has the advantage of being able to
multi-thread encryption of packets, since each packet can be encrypted in
parallel.  There is nothing missing from CPACF instructions that is needed
- if you write directly to CPACF you can easily implement AES-CTR mode.


Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com


On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Steve Finch <sfi...@recoverypoint.com>wrote:

Some shops do not allow aes-cbc because of  the 'Padding Oracle Attack'
  problem, since AES-CBC uses padding. aes-ctr does not use padding

Also FIPS 140-2 was published in 2001 and last updated in 2002

Steve Finch
Recovery Point

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We've been trying to migrate our ssh/sftp environment, for both our client
and server users to only use FIPS-140-2 certified ciphers, and run ICSF in
FIPS mode. We've had no problems doing so, except with one of our partners
who states that their security policy will not allow their sftp server to
accept data transmitted with any CBC cipher.

I tried adding the aes-ctr ciphers to our allowed list, but it doesn't
look like ICSF can handle it, which is needed for ICSF to execute in FIPS
mode.

It seems like I'm in a unresolvable problem from a technology standpoint,
unless our partner changes their policy, which I don't understand why they
don't allow FIPS-140-2 certified ciphers to be used.

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