Bonno, Tuco wrote:

>A word to the wise, amigo:  you start saying you don't want to be bothered to 
>look in the manuals, and you are not going to be getting much help on this 
>listserver  ....  that attitude pisses off those of us who DO  bother to root 
>around in the manuals.

Hmmm, yes, I agree with Tuco and also with Tom. This is typical of any 
discussion list. Any strange statements or questions or just showing a lack of 
'first try, then ask' [1] give only one response - delete.

If the OP can say WHY he/she/it cannot be bothered [2] with manuals, perhaps 
some hints may be supplied.

I only look at this thread if someone will bother to give an answer about 
switching logs. I have once a problem with that some months ago, but decided 
not to bother anymore with that. 

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

[1] - Posting attempts and resulting message(s) does do wonders on a list serv.

[2] - Now and then I see a post and the poster said he/she has no access to 
internet/books or so and also give reason, then it can be forgiven especially 
if the poster gave good replies to others previously.

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