But there are "bagels" that have no holes. OTOH, some of us don't really consider them bagels; one poster on some forum said her husband called them RBUs -- Round Bread Units.
And if you've ever had real New York or Montreal bagels, you'll know why folks make that distinction. OTOH, RBUs make better *sandwiches*, since they're not so tough. Even some mainframers like them. <== requisite relevance injection On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:03 PM, J O Skip Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: > (This whole season feels like Friday.) A doughnut, on the other hand, > requires the hole for its very definition. The hole supplies no mass or > nutritional value, but without it the thing is not a doughnut. By contrast > a punch card requires the solid part to give the holes meaning; they would > otherwise collapse into gibberish. > > . > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 626-302-7535 Office > 323-715-0595 Mobile > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Barry Merrill > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 12:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: (External):Re: What's a "ton" of JCL? [was:RE: Straightforward > way to determine hardware architecture level?] > > I think a box of 2000 IBM cards is on the order of 6 pounds, so a TON of > JCL cards would be 333 boxes, or about 666,666 card images. > > But, the useful weight is zero, since we only use the holes. > > Barry > > > Herbert W. "Barry" Merrill, PhD > President-Programmer > MXG Software > Merrill Consultants > 10717 Cromwell Drive > Dallas, TX 75229-5112 > [email protected] > Fax: 214 350 3694 - Still works, received as email > Tel: 214 351 1966 - Unreliable, please use email > > www.mxg.com HomePage: FAQ answers most questions > [email protected] License Forms, Invoice, Payment, ftp information > [email protected] Technical Issues > MXG-L FREE ListServer http://www.mxg.com/mxg-l_listserver/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 1:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: What's a "ton" of JCL? [was:RE: Straightforward way to determine > hardware architecture level?] > > Re: "ton" of JCL, at least one large shop of my prior acquaintance (20 or > so years ago) had over 250,000 members in the production applications JCL > libraries. > > Not sure how much of that was obsolete at the time, but the batch > operations control product they used had vast quantities of data as well. > > I think that counts as a "ton" or 2 . . . :) > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Peter Relson > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:30 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Straightforward way to determine hardware architecture level? > > <Snipped> > > . . . migrating from Cobol 4 to Cobol 5 without changing a ton of JCL (how > much JCL is a "ton" anyway?). > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
