I don't want to turn this into a debugging session, but this is what I see in 
RMF3 on the non-DB2 utility system. All of the TPX 'regions' are below this 
list sorted by Aux Slots. No task shows any page-ins.



-            Service    -- Frame Occup.-- - Active Frames - AUX   PGIN

- Jobname  C Class   Cr TOTAL  ACTV  IDLE  WSET FIXED   DIV SLOTS RATE

-

- *MASTER* S SYSTEM      271K  271K     0  271K  8513     0  526K    0

- IOSAS    S SYSTEM     11702 11702     0 11702   313     0 58436    0

- ZFS      S SYSSTC     10217 10217     0 10217   575     0 35128    0

- OMCMS    S SYSSTC     17310 17310     0 17310  1615     0 31499    0

- AUTONETV S STCLO      10093 10093     0 10093   452     0 15413    0

- AUTOAMGR S SYSSTC      2373  2373     0  2373   144     0 12540    0

- OMMVS    S SYSSTC      3968  3968     0  3968   168     0 11929    0

- TN3270Z  S SYSSTC      9993  9993     0  9993   155     0 10801    0

- RASP     S SYSTEM       281   281     0   281   276     0 10068    0

- OMVS     S SYSSTC      4870  4870     0  4870   306     0  8994    0

- JES2     S SYSSTC      3552  3552     0  3552  3079     0  8881    0

- RMF      S SYSSTC      2884  2884     0  2884   113     0  6827    0

- NETVIEW  S SYSSTC      7620  7620     0  7620   276     0  6815    0

- TCPIP    S SYSSTC      1641  1641     0  1641   141     0  6778    0

- VLF      S SYSSTC      1919  1919     0  1919   104     0  5631    0

- SMSPDSE  S SYSTEM      2852  2852     0  2852   181     0  5180    0

- RESOLVER S SYSSTC      3209  3209     0  3209   109     0  5136    0





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J.O.Skip Robinson

Southern California Edison Company

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-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Graham Harris
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: (External):Re: Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory



Have you got RMF3?

Tried looking at STORF to see what address space(s) are consuming all your AUX 
slots?



Are you running Netview?  Got a CANZLOG dataspace?  That can chew through a lot 
of memory if not configured quite right in recent z/OS releases.





On 13 April 2017 at 20:26, Jesse 1 Robinson 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



> This thread did seem to morph into a focus on DB2, but the paging

> problem for us is not confined to DB2. We have one utility system that

> was set up years ago to be a 'CMC'. It's still dedicated to 'network

> stuff', which for some time has narrowed down to CA-TPX, the SNA

> session manager. Very little else runs there. Certainly no DB2 or CICS. 
> Absolutely no end-user apps.

> We've sort of ignored this system recently as we turned attention

> elsewhere. It was last IPLed in January 2016, well over a year ago! It

> runs great except for this burr under the saddle. The local volumes

> are all Mod-3. Whatever we decide to do about DB2 will not help here.

>

> -  IEE200I 11.29.28 DISPLAY ASM

> -  TYPE             FULL     STAT

> -  PLPA             100%    FULL

> -  COMMON     36%     OK

> -  LOCAL            53%     OK

> -  LOCAL            49%     OK

> -  LOCAL            43%     OK

>

> .

> .

> J.O.Skip Robinson

> Southern California Edison Company

> Electric Dragon Team Paddler

> SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager

> 323-715-0595 Mobile

> 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW

> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]]

> On Behalf Of Mike Schwab

> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:18 PM

> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

> Subject: (External):Re: Paging subsystems in the era of bigass memory

>

> Here is an IBM presentation on how to tune z/OS and DB2 memory,

> including some parameters to set.

> http://www.mdug.org/Presentations/Large%20Memory%20DB2%20Perf%20MDUG.p

> df

>

> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Art Gutowski 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>

> wrote:

> > Did someone on this thread say DB2??

> >

> > We have been experiencing similar AUX storage creep on our DB2

> > systems,

> particularly during LARGE reorgs (more of a gallop than a creep).  Our

> DB2 guys did some research, opened an ETR with IBM, and found this relic:

> >

> > Q:

> > "[Why was] set realstorage_management to OFF when that zPARM was

> introduced in DB2 version 10?

> >

> > "Details

> > "IBM z/OS implemented a Storage Management Design change after DB2

> > v10

> was released.

> > "•      Before the design change, DB2 used KEEPREAL(NO), virtual storage

> pages were really (physically) freed, high CPU cost if YES

> > DISCARDDATA KEEPREAL(NO), RSM has to get LPAR level serialization to

> > manage those pages that are being freed immediately. That added to

> > CPU usage and also caused some CPU spin at the LPAR level to get

> > that serialization  -- excerpt from PTF

> >

> > "To get around/minimize the impact of the original design

> > shortcomings

> that was introduced by IBM RSM z/OS,  setting zPARM

> realstorage_management to OFF, would probably have been prudent on

> most LPARs.  HP/EDS tried to address this new issue IBM created.

> >

> > "IBM create two PTFs and changed the way DB2 and RSM manages the

> > page

> frames.

> >

> > "•      After a design change (now) DB2 uses KEEPREAL(YES), storage is

> only virtually freed

> > "If DB2 doesn't tell RSM that it doesn't need a frame, then the

> > frame will remain backed in real storage in some form. That causes

> > the growth of real storage and paging and everything that goes with

> > using up REAL storage. KEEPREAL(YES) allows DB2 to tell RSM that

> > z/OS can steal the page if it needs it, but DB2 retains ownership of

> > the page, and it remains backed with real storage. If z/OS needs the

> > page, it can steal it -- excerpt from PTF

> >

> > "V10 APAR PM88804 APAR PM86862 and PM99575"

> >

> > So...perhaps check your DSNZPARM and make sure it's coded

> > appropriately

> for more modern times.  FYI, we are z/OS 2.2 and DB2 11.1, NFM.  We

> are in the process of rolling out REALSTORAGE_MANAGEMENT=AUTO (the

> current IBM recommended setting) across our enterprise.

> >

> > HTH,

> > Art Gutowski (with assist from Doug Drain, Steve Laufer and IBM)

> > General Motors, LLC

> >

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