Thanks for the thoughts. If it was purely up to me, I'd probably choose #1 as then it wouldn't be my concern any more :-)
You'd be surprised how hard Alpha folk are to find, harder than z/OS folk it seems. Re #2, the price isn't really an issue although of course they won't want to pay an arm and a leg, it's more the vendor-supported framework that must be in place for this operation. best regards, Peter On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:46:02 +0200, R.S. <[email protected]> wrote: >Wild thoughts: >1. Try to add/replace Ethernet card to the Alphaserver. I'm aware it is >old, unsupported machine, but IMHO there are still folks around who can >do that. >2. Try to use some Cisco (or other vendor) router with TR and Eth ports >*and* proper software supporting SNA. I don't know Visara box price, but >simple router can be less expensive. > >HTH > >-- >Radoslaw Skorupka >Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > >W dniu 2017-07-25 o 00:40, Peter Bishop pisze: >> Hi, >> >> thanks for the responses so far. >> >> The goal is to have the server (an ancient DEC alpha running some sort of >> SNA application of which I'm ignorant) that now has a TR link into the FEP >> connect to the z13 which no longer has ESCON. >> >> Going by the CNA8000 doc it claims this is possible, but I'm interested in >> your statement that it won't help. The Visara pages seem to indicate the >> CNA8000 can do SNA-over-TR and FICON. We have been first before but >> naturally prefer others to have blazed the trail if possible as there is >> less appetite for being first these days. >> >> We are aware of the Optica ESBT option but would prefer a single "black box" >> rather than two, and like the prospect of having no more bus and tag cables >> as will be needed with the ESBT; nevertheless we still have the ESBT as an >> option. >> >> Regarding the FEP being unsupported, yes, this is understood by the customer. >> >> thanks again, >> Peter >> >> >> On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:13:37 +0200, R.S. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It still do not clarify what is your goal. >>> Now we know you have some TR segment connected to the FEP. Fine, but >>> what else is connected to the token ring? What device is connected? What >>> protocol is used? >>> >>> My guess is you are using some SNA and CNA8000 won't help you. >>> >>> BTW: You can connect 9034 to ESCON/FICON converter from Optica (name: >>> PRIZM) and still have your FEP on B&T and ESCON converter. But this is >>> very expensive - approx. 50k USD. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> -- >>> Radoslaw Skorupka >>> Lodz, Poland >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> W dniu 2017-07-22 o 05:10, Peter Bishop pisze: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> currently we have a TR link going into a FEP which connects via bus and >>>> tag to a 9034 which then connects via ESCON to a z196, but we're going z13 >>>> and so need FICON link. The CNA8000 would appear to be able to replace >>>> both the FEP and the 9034 if we configure it right as it has TR and FICON >>>> ports. We're stuck with TR. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:30:24 +0000, Jim Stefanik <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would ask the same question - what's the end-goal? If you're just >>>>> trying to test something or revive some old gear for a while, an IBM 8229 >>>>> LAN Bridge can be had for bugger all off eBay. It just bridges traffic >>>>> between an Ethernet LAN and a token ring LAN. If this is a more >>>>> permanent thing, there are probably more modern and better supported >>>>> solutions, since the 8229 is quite old (20+ years...!). I wouldn't >>>>> recommend using an 8229 in a production environment for anything critical >>>>> due to its age and lack of support from IBM. >>>> -Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf >>>> of R.S. <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 06:02 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Visara CNA8000 question >>>> >>>> W dniu 2017-07-21 o 07:49, Peter Bishop pisze: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> we have a possible need to connect a token-ring link to a z13 (don't ask) >>>>> and were considering one option, but now another has appeared. >>>>> >>>>> We're wondering if anyone else is using a Visara CNA8000 for this? It >>>>> seems a simpler option than the other one as it takes a token-ring link >>>>> on one side and a FICON link on the other. >>>> What's your goal? >>>> For that excercise I would ask what about TR and Eth networks connected >>>> via some router supporting TCP/IP protocol. >>>> For Visara I bet you could get something like local (non-SNA) console >>>> with TR connection, but from host point of view it works like OSA-ICC >>>> console/terminal. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Radoslaw Skorupka >>>> Lodz, Poland >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ====================================================================== >>>> >>> >>> > > >====================================================================== > > > -- > Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku > przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być > jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. 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