So, is no one using ZD&T in the real world? IBM is touting this as a DEV tool, to offload mips and to be able to spin up copies semi automatically via zOSMF workflows. Sounds nice in theory, but its in practice that I worry about. IBM wants us to treat them like spinning up linux instances. Problem is how do I spin up our customized z/os image with a live copy of security database, etc, etc, etc. Automation, how do tasks get started. A APP DEV person cannot/will not have the access to do that. Then pushing the required app data down to it.
Just too many questions in my mind. zPDT is the vendor version I guess, but those are treated/maintained like a standard image with all the same care and feeding as a standard z lpar and are what I would call permanent images. _________________________________________________________________ Dave Jousma Manager Mainframe Engineering, Assistant Vice President [email protected] 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 3:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IBM ZD&T **CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL** **DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or unexpected emails** You would not need one for every programmer. Perhaps one to take to a customer site to demonstrate your software and one to host an application for a development team. If the applications are small could hold several applications, until you hit a space limit or ram or cpu causing slowdowns. On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 <[email protected]> wrote: > And according to this link from that page: > > https://www.ibm.com/us-en/marketplace/z-systems-development-test-envir > onment > > "Develop and test mainframe applications on x86 hardware Starting at > $4,920.00 USD per year" > > Still not hobbyist pricing, and still somewhat steep on a per-programmer > basis for a company to pay, and large development teams (100+) would make > that a relatively high-cost tool. > > I would presume that a good discount to that "list price" could be negotiated > by an organization with an existing substantial investment in real IBM iron > and software, but small organizations and hobbyists are still SOL. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 9:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: IBM ZD&T > > EXTERNAL: This email originated from outside of Broadridge. Do not click any > links or open any attachments unless you trust the sender and know the > content is safe. > > acrording to this page ( > https://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2017/09/08/ibm-z-systems-developme > nt-test-environment-zdt-v11-available/) > this is same as zPDT. We use zPDT top develop out IronSphere ISCM for > legacy platform, but zPDT, afaik, is for members of the partner in > development program. It look like zd&t is for everyone. > > ITschak > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Jousma, David <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you are not aware, this is z/OS running on x86 for dev/test work. >> Anyone doing this in the real world? We've got architects in the >> corporation that head about this, and want to discuss it. I just don't >> know enough about it to know if it's a big deal, or a breadbox with >> regards to building and supporting. >> >> My concerns: >> - are how to support >> - is it an identical image of standard lpars on Z? >> - security >> - etc, etc, etc. >> >> I did a few searches on google looking for a past SHARE presentation for a >> 10,000' view. To my uneducated self, it sounds like an easy way for >> management to defer mainframe cpu costs, but at a huge support cost. >> Am I wrong? > -- > > > This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If > the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized > representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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