I've been following this thread with some interest.  We currently have a TS7720 
without tape behind it and a TS3584 with C06 "dumb" controllers as Timothy 
calls them.  Due to the impending demise of support for the C06 and the 
unavailability of C07 controllers we have decided to swing the 3584 behind the 
7720.  Today when I perform system backups, I send 1 copy to the VTS for ease 
of recovery for the "something happened to my dataset" and the other copy 
directly to the 3592 tapes in the 3584.  This set of backups is transported 
offsite for actual disaster recovery.     So here are my questions.  

I was under the impression that the physical tape on the back end of a TS77xx 
box basically acted as a cache extension where the physical tapes were managed 
by the TS77xx controllers.  Can I force, for example, a set of system backups 
to get sent immediately to the passthru tapes as well as the virtual tapes on 
the TS7720 itself so I can send a set of physicals offsite like I do today?  

In the case of backups that need to go offsite, what manages the physical tapes 
in the 3584 - is it still my tape management system on the mainframe or is it 
some kind of tape management in the 7720?

Can I use other physical tapes in the 3584 as extra space for "throwaway" data 
in the 7720 if I'm running low on cache (physical disk) in the VTS?  

If I'm using some physicals as just cache extension what manages these tapes?  
Does the 7720 or is this still z/OS TMS?  What handles recycling of these 
tapes?  

Thanks,

Rex

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2018 3:01 PM
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Subject: [External] Re: VTL as 3490 vs 3590

W dniu 2018-05-22 o 08:04, Timothy Sipples pisze:
> Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>> It is really nice sales pitch, but *technically* IBM it is no longer
>> possible to write directly to a tape volume from z/OS.
> First of all, it's not a sales pitch. I don't do sales pitches very well.
>
> Second, it's also no longer possible to "write directly" to disk drives.
> *All* mainframe-attached storage -- flash/SSD, disk, and now tape -- is
> highly virtualized, with intelligent controllers equipped with caches.
>
> Why is this progress a problem? And it's a very long arc of progress, not
> at all sudden. As I've carefully and accurately documented, there was
> nearly 19 years of product overlap as IBM tape made the transition to
> virtualized-physical.
>
> Finally, "ask your friendly IBM representative" about IBM TS1155/TS4500
> attachment to your IBM TS7700. I have no inside information on that, but I
> do pay some attention to IBM's past practices.

I was talking to IBMer storage salesmen last week or so. They still 
offer TS1150, not 1155.

Regarding the sales pitch: can I insert physical cart into TS7700? Let's 
imagine I want to write the tape in shop A and read it in shop B.
Yes, I know about grid or even ftp, but I want to send physical medium. 
Just because. Can I?
Or still available ServerPac on a tape. Can it be read on TS7700?

Regards
-- 
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland




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