I have been asked to clarify "grumbling."

Honestly, I meant exactly what I said in an engineer-literal sense. If you are 
grumbling you are not alone. I can name two other people who have grumbled 
semi-publicly about IBM's approach. 

I am personally of two minds. I buy into the "modern, UNIX" approach of "put 
all the vulnerabilities out there where the good guys have access to them as 
well as the bad guys, and let the good guys publicly vet the remediation."

On the other hand I hear IBM when they say that their current approach is what 
customers have said they want. There are customers -- e.g. this thread -- who 
install PTFs only relatively infrequently -- certainly infrequently relative to 
the "modern, UNIX" approach of "get it patched NOW!" Their exposure would be 
increased by widespread dissemination.

I do think IBM needs to somehow better accommodate ISVs. My understanding is 
that "you have to own a real mainframe" to get access to the security portal. 
Thus ISVs who own only zPDTs or who rent time at Dallas do not qualify. 

Charles


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Charles Mills
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 12:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Spectre/Meltdown APAR - OA54807

It is a security APAR and details are available only through the Security 
Portal.

And yes, if you are grumbling, you are not alone.

Charles


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Rob Schramm
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 12:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Spectre/Meltdown APAR - OA54807

Is is something IBM can do verbally via meeting that they are unwilling to
detail in the issue(s)?

Seems to me there have been some things like this in the past that the only
information was provided in closed meetings?
But then again.. maybe that was a movie.. need to clean the cobwebs out of
the brain today!

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