Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer    
The slings and arrows of secondary extents,     
Or to take arms against a sea of B37s,   
And by opposing end them?   

Gil may have been right about this being the October Topic. For ServerPac data 
sets, I encourage the *judicious* use of secondary extents. That's largely 
because we (OK, almost) never update live data sets. We install maintenance in 
a service-only container--oh snaps, I just made that up--and migrate it to a 
live environment with an IPL. A swollen data set can be inconspicuously 
compressed before it's (re)introduced to the wild. OTOH dealing with a data set 
that has incrementally outgrown its original primary-only allocation can be a 
major PITA even in a service-only container. 

The catch is that You Need to Know What You're Doing. I know, this requirement 
offends manage-by-airline-rag execs who see knowledge and experience as 
obstacles to hiring practices. So be it.

So why not, as someone suggested, just make every data set Godzilla-size so 
that you never run out of space? Back when MVS releases showed up every six 
months, usage growth from one release to the next could somewhat be 
anticipated. But we all have to live with finite sysres volume(s), and after a 
couple of years' worth of new function before the next ServerPac, anticipating 
the long-term growth of every library is pretty much a crapshoot. Defining 
secondary extents that may or may not be needed in the current release is a 
fairly cheap maneuver to head off an inconvenient space crunch.  

As we all agree, install fixes on live systems infrequently and with great 
care, but IBM has invested tons in mechanisms that make continuous availability 
possible if not trivial. Just come clean that it's this or guaranteed IPL. I've 
made a handful of gambles over the years. Won more than I've lost, but each one 
is a cliff hanger.    

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J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Seymour J Metz
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 1:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: (External):Re: S106 abends after copying into LINKLIST

I stated that I *prefer* to never update I live linklist library, not that I 
wouldn't or haven't done it in an emergency situation. What I do to avoid an 
outage is not what is sound for routine maintenance.


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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

________________________________________
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf of Ed 
Jaffe <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 7:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: S106 abends after copying into LINKLIST

On 10/2/2018 8:43 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I prefer to avoid the problem by never updating a live linklist library.

NEVER is a strong word. Too strong for the dynamic modern world, IMHO.

If there is some sort of *major* error that needs fixing NOW, then we will 
receive the fix and -- if it has no IPL hold -- stop LLA, apply the fix, bring 
LLA back up, and perform any documented DYNACT restart.
Problem solved. No downtime whatsoever...


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