We had installed DF/EF and converted our main production catalog to an ICF 
catalog right before IBM pulled it from the market (if I remember correctly). 
Thankfully the converted catalog never experienced any problems.

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On Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:40 PM, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't recall any problems with DFP, but I counted myself blessed that I 
> never installed DF/EF.
>
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> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of 
> Clark Morris [[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 7:09 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: DF/EF andd DFP the IBM predecessor was Re: OT Boeing flight software
>
> [Default] On 28 Feb 2020 07:24:20 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> [email protected] (scott Ford) wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > Reminds me of this whole Agile process that’s being used. Incomplete
> > thinking, not like a lot of old timer Sysprogs, who had to think about ,
> > installation, testing, implementation in production, impact on users and
> > backup.
>
> DF/EF comes to mind and Jamie Yates of IBM describing a situation of
> clients calling with a SEV 1 problem when they didn't have one because
> they would by the time they got a call back. After installing DFP, my
> feeling at the time that DFP stood for Damn Fragile Product, a
> sentiment at least some of my compatriots at SHARE agreed with. The
> PE chains were something else.
>
> Clark Morris
>
> > Boeing sounds piecemeal ..
> > Scott
> > On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 6:42 AM Ray Pearce [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > > Orlando Sentinel says:
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> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Schwab
> > > Sent: 28 February 2020 02:19
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: OT Boeing flight software
> > > https://www.orlandosentinel.com/space/os-bz-boeing-safety-commercial-crew-20200226-bgvthodnjzgmlc36hsxcaopahu-story.html
> > > Boeing didn’t perform full end-to-end test of its astronaut capsule
> > > before troubled mission, ‘surprising’ NASA safety panel.
> > > Critically, the panel learned early this month that Boeing did not
> > > perform a full, end-to-end integrated test of Starliner in a Systems
> > > Integration Lab with ULA’s Atlas V rocket. The test typically shows
> > > how all the software systems during each component of the mission
> > > would have responded with each other through every maneuver — and it
> > > could potentially have caught the issues Boeing later experienced in
> > > the mission.
> > > “It’s pretty exhaustive. You gotta do that,” said Christopher Saindon,
> > > a former member who ended his tenure on the panel in mid-February.
> > > “That was somewhat surprising to us on the panel. There were certainly
> > > gaps in the test protocol.”
> > > It was software that ultimately did fail Boeing when it flew Starliner
> > > on a Dec. 20 mission intended to dock with the International Space
> > > Station. The capsule’s internal clock was 11 hours ahead, causing it
> > > to miss critical maneuvers and fly into the incorrect orbit. Then,
> > > communication issues potentially caused by cell towers in the area
> > > blocked Boeing from sending a command to rectify the orbit. Starliner,
> > > the company determined, wasn’t going to be able to reach the space
> > > station.
> > > But in the process of bringing it back down and re-checking its
> > > software, the company caught yet another issue that could have caused
> > > Starliner to collide with its service module when the two separated
> > > prior to the capsule’s return to Earth. Teams were able to correct the
> > > issue before to the capsule’s return on Dec. 22, but the multitude of
> > > problems have led NASA to call for a full re-verification of Boeing’s
> > > software — a process that will take analyzing about a million lines of
> > > code.
> > > Software issues are also plaguing another arm of Boeing, which is
> > > dealing with the fall out of problems with its 737 Max airplanes that
> > > led to the deaths of 346 people and has grounded the planes.
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