Can you say "race to the bottom"?
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Christopher Y. Blaicher [cblaic...@syncsort.com] Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent' To me there is a difference between 'shortage of talent' and independent (open) development. IBM would be well served to make development platforms available, but that is not what I want to discuss. I think the shortage of talent is because no company wants to invest in talent development for z/OS. They want high schools and colleges to send them talented people. I.E. the student pays for the education, not the company. z/OS is just another operating system, just like UNIX or Windows, just far more robust. When you started using scripts, you had to learn it. JCL is no different, you have to learn it. Yes, it is different, but then again scripts were different for me coming from a long history of IBM operating systems. No, I find the lack of educated talent is a corporate problem, not a talent problem. The corporations are just too cheap to make the investment. Let students pay the thousands of dollars. Chris Blaicher Technical Architect Syncsort, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Edgington, Jerry Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent' [ External - This message originated Externally. Use proper judgement and caution with attachments, links, or responses. ] Just a response to this comment, and I agree. " To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable platform for developers." I have been developing an "open source" project for z/OS. So, I have run into this many times, and it not just the hardware and z/OS, but other subsystems, like DB2, IMS, CICS, and various other components, like DBB, z/OS Connect, etc. That is one of the biggest road blocks in this effort. However, working with the Open Mainframe Project, they are making these types of z/OS environment available. My "open source" project has been accepted to OMP and we are working getting the environment setup to continue developing the Polycephaly project, under OMP. My wish is, to have more of these type environments setup. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent' This message was sent from an external source outside of Western & Southern's network. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the contents are safe. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin <gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com> wrote: > On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote: > >> If your objective is to do something interesting and > >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are > >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to. > >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your > >> outside interests. > >> > > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know. > > > CBT? Zowe? Zigi? > CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of open source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can download a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for inclusion. But there isn't the history like a Github project. I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them. To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something like a zPDT are way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money, IBM won't license to just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or soe such thing. 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