I think a lot of this was based on 'the mainframe is going away'. Companies didn't invest in training for mainframe people to use modern mainframe because 'the mainframe is going away.' The years passed and the mainframe did not go away.
If the mainframe is going away and not the system of record, why do we run our legal and audit against it? It was hard to suggestion a mainframe/not mainframe hybrid solution when people just wanted not mainframe. zSystem or zSeries server, just didn't catch on over the M word. There was a conversation about virtual servers and when people worked on them. I was thinking late 80's for me, MVS and DOS/VSE hosts under VM. That made things quiet. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent' CAUTION: External Email There have been collaborative projects on the CBT tape and various Share mods tapes for ages, with people shipping yapes before the universal access to the Internet. The people on some of those projects kept change logs in the comments. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of John McKown [john.archie.mck...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: regarding the 'shortage of mainframe talent' On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM Gord Tomlin <gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com> wrote: > On 2020-04-09 07:05, John McKown wrote: > >> If your objective is to do something interesting and > >> mind-stimulating in your newly enlarged spare time, then there are > >> massive number of open source projects you could contribute to. > >> There's a very good chance that some such projects line up well with your > >> outside interests. > >> > > Ain't none of z/OS, unfortunately. At least as far as I know. > > > CBT? Zowe? Zigi? > CBT is sort of open source. Well, it is open source. But when I think of open source, I think of collaborative projects like I see on Github. I can download a CBT file and modify it, then send my updated source to Sam for inclusion. But there isn't the history like a Github project. I'll look at Zowe and Zigi. This is the first I've heard of them. To me, the biggest problem for z/OpenSource {grin} is the lack of an affordable platform for developers. The z/OS license fees for something like a zPDT are way beyond my ability to pay. And even if I had the money, IBM won't license to just anyone. IIRC, you must be a Business Partner or soe such thing. The above is why what little I do anymore is Linux on Intel. > > -- > > Regards, Gord Tomlin > Action Software International > (a division of Mazda Computer Corporation) > Tel: (905) 470-7113, Fax: (905) 470-6507 > Support: > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1TwnxefNmnDylQHIPpJW54jxC8WAofasUjQpN25i2 > HL8jFKZTq_OzS87OGnM2UMQIcZc7-rEQp9sEtTMTtlaQjGZOZvzWRHsdK-06ZEt2z2-lk_ > CvyUevZr2CTWCTISXTAtPOGMuwkvkNE5fZl70Usqhu2POd4SZ8tXSY0GEacwbisnklqAeI > pzfK0D3vGxDE9Yz-4XYS1ATVCLzf8aadG_YzSHpJNalTEeLMsyFVn5h-di1_hCiak2W7tL > 3Wp71VOncIHOfZnAnBH4zvysrA-syZ0bNJpTPxpCB4tSV8D8gjmvTybcTq75ADwxgnNW_D > ApHXmgGquHQc4xuH9rq0XSv5HmDv3YzXaQpo38PH5UJARYSOs24cb_NC8m9p1esQKuMVYJ > kqBJHuOfk3MieYmbzAB6nX0LJIjQ-Acx0BE7yQtomM51SD30OObdzYIhL6/https%3A%2F > %2Factionsoftware.com%2Fsupport%2F > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- People in sleeping bags are the soft tacos of the bear world. Maranatha! <>< John McKown ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for use by the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of the information contained in the communication. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately delete the communication. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
