360/44, 360/75, 360/95 and 360/195 were the only shipped S/360 models to be hard wired. The 360/44 wasn't a full S/360 but there was a feature for simulating the missing instructions in bump storage.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Mike Schwab [[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: LzLabs Yep. They drop the interrupt handling in zIIPs and zAAPs to get full speed processing. Could have checked the chips on the boards. Most S/360 models had some microcode, only the highest model had all instructions in hardware. On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:58 AM Wayne Bickerdike <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's interesting that a zIIP can be described as a "speciality" engine yet > the workload they run also run on a CP engine. > > I thought that they are the same basically and it's just another way to > sell a piece of kit and play bait and switch on pricing. > > Years ago we had a 9370 and a company in Melbourne we had some support from > ran an AS400. Their chief was convinced that the only difference was > microcode (and price!). > > > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 1:28 PM Mike Schwab <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1rR_dVgql8YSALoeyuf7ezcu9s1nlFAZyNS1Tk40yYGsfNW_QHjlyFLUEXqPwd5xpgWkK9dALsHZZpeAD-83O92yCnID8zfocAxbICK4xv6kbhJp4OQRdCUCqH4raKSeyat1qSfuGHXoyYJDbV0fbbu5gvmXL67i7fEnidt_j8jWVrk-sBYOOw2CICfxSCyG8DN_yA8VKlKjkPAYcUZB8_13txRX6E3xnEBmZiDZqrhUlJTI6g0PV1AgvOybajYj7Y8XjHxpCbQg1PnPXIvllEXLuhuT6Zjb8i_6IKNCe72XHYE_R9DdxefR6Zv_D_To-m7IFswfcvffjs7sd2LfUvn9faT21Fv0bHK0MMGGUcuXCZicKkim5E6kvCQpVEfitbAwK-XT8jEq-Q1G83znmWYP5d0gw2MCbxQeoNir3YNIn6NLQ13jN7GSdz8wsdU8v/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eweek.com%2Fnetworking%2Fneon-settles-mainframe-software-lawsuit-with-ibm > > > > On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 3:18 AM Steve Beaver <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Actually they Did in Europe. European courts sided with Neon > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On May 1, 2020, at 22:07, Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > No. Neon was a software company. They sold a product called zPrime > > that > > > > allowed unauthorized usage of zIIP and zAAP for almost any kind of > > > > workload. IBM already runs much of DB2 on zIIP. > > > > > > > > IBM only allows code to run on zIIP when you have specific contracts > > that > > > > allow you to for specific things. Neon either violated those, or more > > > > likely reverse-engineered it, which is almost certainly a violation of > > some > > > > other contract they were bound to. > > > > > > > > I don't know any details, but it's hard for me to see how that Neon > > thought > > > > they were going to get away with it. > > > > > > > > sas > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 8:42 PM Mike Schwab <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Neon was a product to run some DB2 on zAAPs or zIIPs. Only the > > > >> workload specified by IBM could run on those processors. > > > >> > > > >>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 5:45 PM Peter Baumann <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> In a lawsuit against Neon Enterprise (John Moores) the court ruled in > > > >> favor of IBM. They had to take zPrime out of the market. There was > > also a > > > >> permanent injunction issued against Neon. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > -- > > Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA > > Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Wayne V. Bickerdike > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
