For me, my blood type is B+, and I tend to look on the positive side of things - including giving most the benefit of the doubt and hoping for the best. Sadly my short/long term memory failures have not erased lessons learned from granting trust when it shouldn't have been granted.
Enough said - may y'all be safe, healthy, and blessed. During challenging times we need each other in many different ways and that includes looking out to prevent others from being taken advantage of if we have the ability to do so. Lionel B. Dyck <sdg>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of scott Ford Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... Joel, I agree I am a huge sci-fi fan and believe in the sciences over utter stupidity. Lionel your point is well taken. I am guilty too, but when you have strong feelings , which sometimes part of ADHD , it’s called RSD ( Reject Sensitive Dysphoria ). I have both ... Scott On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:22 AM Lionel B Dyck <lbd...@gmail.com> wrote: > Joel - can we please keep politics out of this listserv. Personally I > wouldn't trust anyone in power to act against their own self interests > and that applies to politicians and anyone else with power (as in > money, influence, etc.). > > There are altruistic individuals in the world and when it comes to the > development of an AI robot one prays/hopes that those are the software > developers who implement the code for the three laws. > > > Lionel B. Dyck <sdg>< > Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com > > "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is > what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John > Wooden > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:12 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Colossus, Strangelove, etc. was: Developers say... > > I've greatly enjoyed Asimov's vision of future possibilities, but when > I step back to reality it occurs to me that his perfect laws of > robotics would have to be implemented by fallible human programmers. > Even if well-intentioned, how would they unambiguously convey to a > robot the concepts of "human", "humanity", "hurt", and "injure" when > there have always been minorities or "others" that are treated by one > group of humans as sub-human to justify injuring them in the name of > "protecting" > them or protecting humanity? And then there is the issue of who might > make the decision to build sentient robots: For example, who in our > present White House would you trust to pay any heed to logic or > scientific recommendations or long-term consequences, if they were > given the opportunity to construct less-constrained AI robots that > they perceived offered some short-term political advantage? > > Humanity was also fortunate that when the hardware of Asimov's Daneel > began to fail, that he failed gracefully, rather than becoming a > menace to humanity. > Joel C Ewing > > On 5/11/20 8:43 AM, scott Ford wrote: > > Well done Joel....I agree , But I can help to to be curious about > > the future of AI. > > a bit of Isaac Asimov .... > > > > Scott > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:25 AM Joel C. Ewing <jcew...@acm.org> wrote: > > > >> And of course the whole point of Colossus, Dr Strangelove, War > >> Games, Terminator, Forbidden Planet, Battlestar Galactica, etc. > >> was to try to make it clear to all the non-engineers and > >> non-programmers (all of whom greatly outnumber us) why putting > >> lethal force in the hands of any autonomous or even semi-autonomous > >> machine is something with incredible potential to go wrong. We all > >> know that even if the hardware doesn't fail, which it inevitably > >> will, that all software above a certain level of complexity is > >> guaranteed to have bugs with unknown consequences. > >> There is another equally cautionary genre in sci-fi about > >> society becoming so dependent on machines as to lose the knowledge > >> to understand and maintain the machines, resulting in total > >> collapse when the machines inevitably fail. I still remember my > >> oldest sister > reading E.M. > >> Forster, "The Machine Stops" (1909), to me when I was very young. > >> Various Star Trek episodes used both of these themes as plots. > >> People can also break down with lethal side effects, but the > >> potential damage one person can create is more easily contained by > >> other people. The only effective way to defend again a berserk lethal > >> machine may be with another lethal machine, and Colossus-Guardian > >> suggests why that may be an even worse idea. > >> Joel C Ewing > >> > >> On 5/11/20 4:54 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > >>> Strangelove was twisted because the times were twisted. We're ripe > >>> for a > >> similar parody on our own times. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > >>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > >>> > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on > >> behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 [peter.far...@broadridge.com] > >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:39 PM > >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' > >> programming language of 2020 > >>> For relatively recent fare, I agree 100% - "Person of Interest" > >>> leads > >> the pack. My favorite oldie -- "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War . > . . > >> " (War Games), right after Dr. Strangelove of course, simply > >> because it was so twisted. > >>> Mutual Assured Destruction indeed. Is SkyNet far away? > >>> > >>> Peter > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > >> Behalf Of Bob Bridges > >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:21 PM > >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >>> Subject: Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' > >> programming language of 2020 > >>> I've always loved "Colossus: The Forbin Project". Not many people > >>> have > >> seen it, as far as I can tell. > >>> The only problem I have with that movie - well, the main problem - > >>> is > >> that no programmer in the world would make such a system and then > >> throw away the Stop button. No engineer would do that with a > >> machine he built, either. Too many things can go wrong. > >>> But a fun movie, if you can ignore that. > >>> > >>> --- > >>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > >>> > >>> /* The only thing UFO aliens deserve is to be ignored...and when > >>> we > >> finally develop the right missiles, to have their smug, silvery > >> little butts shot down. Not a single reported UFO sighting -- if > >> true! -- describes the behavior of decent, polite, honorable > >> visitors > to our world. > >> -David Brin in a 1998 on-line interview */ > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > >>> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > >> On Behalf Of scott Ford > >>> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:38 > >>> > >>> Like the 1970s flick , ‘Colossus , The Forbin Project’, > >>> > >>> Colossus and American computer and Guardian a Russian computer > >>> take over > >> saying ‘ Colossus and Guardian we are one’, or better yet My > >> favorite show, ‘Person of Interest’..... > >>> ... > >> > >> -- > >> Joel C. Ewing > >> > >> > >> > > -- > Joel C. 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