On Tuesday, 08/19/2008 at 07:25 EDT, "Schuh, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Is there some good reason why it works like this? It would be more
> consistent if the things that are set to be trapped by IUCV or SMSG were
> treated the same in all cases. After all, if it is OK for the machine to
> process the messages in most cases, why is it not OK in this one
> instance? I understand, and now share, your grudge.

I could understand the CONSOLE-based SCIF as having this bizzare-o 
behavior, I suppose, but SET SECUSER/OBSERVER probably would have been 
well-served to include an option for the watcher to decide whether you get
a) SET SECUSER <userid> * PITA
    the message instead of it going to *MSG
b) SET SECUSER <userid> * SNIFFER
    an annotated message AND it goes to *MSG
c) SET SECUSER <userid> * 
    only messages not trapped by *MSG (as the Gods intended)

For those times when you want different things.

> This is one of those things that may be BAD, but has been around for so
> long that it probably can't be fixed without upsetting a lot of users.
> (For the uninitiated, BAD is an acronym for Broken As Designed.)

I remember many heated arguments during VM/ESA 1.0 development. I also 
remember losing.  (I had just started by stint in System Test.)  Everyone 
KNOWS that the Prime Directive should apply to SCIF.  Watching a server 
should not change its behavior.  It makes debugging REXECD a pain. <grump> 
 See "Grudge".

> Has there been a replacement assigned to take over the Ombudsman role 
since
> Lyn Hadley held the post.

I like to think that those of us who hang out here do a pretty good job, 
even if no one has the formal title.   :-)

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott

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